[Speculation] Sage to the Jets?

[cadams]

yeah, all this talk about Nall is meaningless. anyone arguing that trading Sage would mean Nall would be annointed the #2 are not being realistic about the situation. there are a lot of QBs out there who would be just fine as a backup. the texans would sign one of those guys and he would be the #2 unless Nall really showed him something. Here are the UFAs avaibable this offseason who could be had as backups most likely. This list may be a bit off as some of these guys may have already signed, but do you reall think that someone like Simms, Ramsey, or Losman couldn't decent enough as a backup to be able to trade Sage for a draft pick? Also, Garcia isn't on this list because he could end up as a starter, but I would feel just as confident with him as a backup as Sage anyday. also, just noticed that someone already posted this list, but i had already typed this out so i am posting it our of principle.

Chris Simms/Tennessee Titans/UFA
J.P. Losman/Buffalo Bills/UFA
Byron Leftwich/Pittsburgh Steelers/UFA
Rex Grossman/Chicago Bears/UFA
Kyle Boller/Baltimore Ravens/UFA
Luke McCown/Tampa Bay Buccaneers/UFA
Patrick Ramsey/Denver Broncos/UFA
Brooks Bollinger/Dallas Cowboys/UFA
Dan Orlovsky/Detroit Lions/UFA
Charlie Frye/Seattle Seahawks/UFA
Charlie Batch/Pittsburgh Steelers/UFA
Anthony Wright/New York Giants/UFA

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by cadams

yeah, all this talk about Nall is meaningless. anyone arguing that trading Sage would mean Nall would be annointed the #2 are not being realistic about the situation. there are a lot of QBs out there who would be just fine as a backup. the texans would sign one of those guys and he would be the #2 unless Nall really showed him something. Here are the UFAs avaibable this offseason who could be had as backups most likely. This list may be a bit off as some of these guys may have already signed, but do you reall think that someone like Simms, Ramsey, or Losman couldn't decent enough as a backup to be able to trade Sage for a draft pick? Also, Garcia isn't on this list because he could end up as a starter, but I would feel just as confident with him as a backup as Sage anyday. also, just noticed that someone already posted this list, but i had already typed this out so i am posting it our of principle.

Chris Simms/Tennessee Titans/UFA
J.P. Losman/Buffalo Bills/UFA
Byron Leftwich/Pittsburgh Steelers/UFA
Rex Grossman/Chicago Bears/UFA
Kyle Boller/Baltimore Ravens/UFA
Luke McCown/Tampa Bay Buccaneers/UFA
Patrick Ramsey/Denver Broncos/UFA
Brooks Bollinger/Dallas Cowboys/UFA
Dan Orlovsky/Detroit Lions/UFA
Charlie Frye/Seattle Seahawks/UFA
Charlie Batch/Pittsburgh Steelers/UFA
Anthony Wright/New York Giants/UFA

If it is week #14 and the Texans are 8-4 and playing the Indy Colts for the division lead and MSchaub is out two weeks with a cracked rib, I'll take Sage Rosenfels and you can have anybody on that list of yours plus a 5th round pick... Do you really like your situation better than starting Sage Rosenfels. Don't forget, this is Sage's 4th year in this offense, throwing to this group of receivers. That's significant!

[nero THE zero]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

If it is week #14 and the Texans are 8-4 and playing the Indy Colts for the division lead and MSchaub is out two weeks with a cracked rib, I'll take Sage Rosenfels and you can have anybody on that list of yours plus a 5th round pick... Do you really like your situation better than starting Sage Rosenfels. Don't forget, this is Sage's 4th year in this offense, throwing to this group of receivers. That's significant!

I can only hope that some other team's GM thinks as highly of Sage as you do.

It's only February and you've already forgetten the biggest meltdown in Texan history at the hands of the Rosencopter.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by nero THE zero

I can only hope that some other team's GM thinks as highly of Sage as you do.

It's only February and you've already forgetten the biggest meltdown in Texan history at the hands of the Rosencopter.

I was at the game and it almost killed me. However, I don't grade him by that ending anymore than I do his incredible comeback against Tennessee in 2007. He's a very good backup and he gives us an excellent chance to win if our starter is out. I think that is more important that a 5th round pick.

[jcp]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

I was at the game and it almost killed me. However, I don't grade him by that ending anymore than I do his incredible comeback against Tennessee in 2007. He's a very good backup and he gives us an excellent chance to win if our starter is out. I think that is more important that a 5th round pick.

For a fifth I agree, but if we can find a team willing to part with a 3...

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by jcp

For a fifth I agree, but if we can find a team willing to part with a 3...

I would've done the deal for a 2nd last year. I actually got excited about a Sage trade when they picked up the guy from Jacksonville (can't remember his name)... I'd do it for a 3rd this year but only if they had a reasonable plan in place for a backup- not Craig Nall, not a late round rookie.

[barrett]

I'd do it for a 4th. Maybe even an early 5th. I just doubt Kubiak will. We likely won't see a huge short term payoff from a 2nd day pick, and Kubs is coaching for his job next year. Young potential does not do him any good.

Either way I think you'll see another QB in place ahead of time if they have any intention of dealing (like Gray last year).

[Joshua]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

If it is week #14 and the Texans are 8-4 and playing the Indy Colts for the division lead and MSchaub is out two weeks with a cracked rib, I'll take Sage Rosenfels and you can have anybody on that list of yours plus a 5th round pick... Do you really like your situation better than starting Sage Rosenfels. Don't forget, this is Sage's 4th year in this offense, throwing to this group of receivers. That's significant!

I vaguely remember Sage playing the Colts this past year. I thought that game ended badly, but I must be mistaken since dale is adamant that he's the guy to take on the Colts next year in week 14.

In all seriousness, my first point would be that your hypothetical is tailormade for your viewpoint. It is also possible that Sage never sees the field and then leaves as a free agent for nothing. But accepting your hypothetical, because Sage is so turnover-prone, I really don't think he gives us that much better chance to win than some of these others. On this we will just have to agree to disagree. However, I think Sage's play last year supports my point. He went 2-4 and his turnovers were killers. I don't think Sage played significantly better than most would have given the same opportunity last year.

[nero THE zero]

Originally Posted by Joshua

I vaguely remember Sage playing the Colts this past year. I thought that game ended badly, but I must be mistaken since dale is adamant that he's the guy to take on the Colts next year in week 14.

In all seriousness, my first point would be that your hypothetical is tailormade for your viewpoint. It is also possible that Sage never sees the field and then leaves as a free agent for nothing. But accepting your hypothetical, because Sage is so turnover-prone, I really don't think he gives us that much better chance to win than some of these others. On this we will just have to agree to disagree. However, I think Sage's play last year supports my point. He went 2-4 and his turnovers were killers. I don't think Sage played significantly better than most would have given the same opportunity last year.

Well said.

I think the main issue of contention here isn't the value of the back-up QB position, as Barrett and Dale maintain, but the value of Sage himself.

[cadams]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

If it is week #14 and the Texans are 8-4 and playing the Indy Colts for the division lead and MSchaub is out two weeks with a cracked rib, I'll take Sage Rosenfels and you can have anybody on that list of yours plus a 5th round pick... Do you really like your situation better than starting Sage Rosenfels. Don't forget, this is Sage's 4th year in this offense, throwing to this group of receivers. That's significant!

in that scenario i wouldn't have a problem with one of those guys over sage. the fact of the matter is that they will live and die by schaub's health. please don't forget about the rosencopter and the other 3 turnovers he had against indy last year. he does have experience with the receivers, but he has been a backup his whole career for a reason. if you could get a 4th for him jump on it, because i would trade a back up player for a potential started everyday of the week