Would You Do Cutler To Houston For Schaub and Our #1?

TexanJedi · #1 03-03-2009, 09:17 AM

For fun, but how about a package of Anderson (if possible since they signed an offer sheet), Matt Schaub, Travis Johnson (he does have experience in 3-4), and a pick (2 or 3) for Cutler and Dumervil? I know it's outlandish and I can't recall a trade in the NFL involving that many players (the NBA or MLB, yes), but that does not mean it's not possible. Of course there is the cap to consider too.

HPF Bob · #2 03-03-2009, 10:56 AM

That would be sweet for the Texans. As for Denver, I think they made a huge mistake hiring an offensive coach when their defense is what really needs fixing. McDiapers instead is trying to rework the offense and hasn't done much to upgrade the defense, maybe because he doesn't know how. So, at best, the Broncos will still score 30 pts a game and give up 40 pts a game.

barrett · #3 03-03-2009, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HPF Bob

That would be sweet for the Texans. As for Denver, I think they made a huge mistake hiring an offensive coach when their defense is what really needs fixing. McDiapers instead is trying to rework the offense and hasn't done much to upgrade the defense, maybe because he doesn't know how. So, at best, the Broncos will still score 30 pts a game and give up 40 pts a game.

Seriously. How do you hire an offensive coach for that job? Does the Denver front office truly believe the problem was that Mike Shanahan was not putting enough points on the board?

The offense was in place and now they are just rebuilding it for the sake of rebuilding it. And wrecking their best player right out of the shoot is a great start.

HPF Bob · #4 03-03-2009, 11:08 PM

The feeding frenzy over Cutler is starting to get serious. A lot of the talk seems to be total bs but where there's smoke...

From one source, this was the original deal:
Tampa Bay gets Jay Cutler.
Denver gets Cassel plus Tampa's 1st and 3rd rounders.
New England gets Denver's second rounder.

Then the Lions got into the act and this was the supposed deal:
Detroit gets Jay Cutler and Denver's 3rd-rounder.
Denver gets Cassel and both of Detroit's first-rounders (including overall #1).
New England gets Denver's second rounder.

Allegedly, McDiapers was ready to do either deal but the new Broncos' GM, Xanders, vetoed the idea.

Since this surfaced, one report had Cutler going to Cleveland for Brady Quinn and Shaun Rogers. Another has Cutler going to the Vikings for unspecified player/picks, leading to jokes that Sage Rosenfels would be the new QB in Denver.

Mike Shanahan apparently had so much control of the organization that it has created a power vacuum where nobody knows for sure who is running the show up there.

Mike · #5 03-04-2009, 10:21 AM

How could Denver not do the deal for Cassel and get two #1's?

Nice way to build your team, you still have a QB and get the two picks to for Defense or one of the OL.

Say what you want about Mike Shanahan, but this crap would not have happened with him in charge.

papabear · #6 03-04-2009, 11:05 AM

I have a hard time buying most of this. From what I heard the reason NE pulled the trigger on the KC deal was that the three way deal were far from being ready and he was worried that if he didn't act quickly they would be stuck with little to no options. They HAD to get a deal done to free up enough space so that they had room to operate.

HPF Bob · #7 03-04-2009, 05:00 PM

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How could Denver not do the deal for Cassel and get two #1's?

Cap ramifications. Paying three #1 draft picks (Detroit's two plus their own at #12) would nuke the cap of most teams. Plus, the overall #1 has become almost impossible to trade down from. And in a year when there is no true can't-miss stud that's a clear #1, you wind up paying top dollar for a guy who probably isn't worth it but will hogtie your salary cap for five years minimum.

Why do you think Detroit was willing to do that?

HPF Bob · #8 03-15-2009, 04:41 PM

As things continue to deteriorate in Denver, I'd bet we could get Cutler now for Schaub and a second-rounder straight up. If Cutler doesn't show up for the next round of meetings, the Broncos would be smart to cut their losses and not go through a protracted holdout.

Hey, a Pro Bowl QB for what amounts to three second-round picks (remember, we gave up two #2s for Schaub) is quite a deal.

TexanJedi · #9 03-15-2009, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by HPF Bob

As things continue to deteriorate in Denver, I'd bet we could get Cutler now for Schaub and a second-rounder straight up. If Cutler doesn't show up for the next round of meetings, the Broncos would be smart to cut their losses and not go through a protracted holdout.

Hey, a Pro Bowl QB for what amounts to three second-round picks (remember, we gave up two #2s for Schaub) is quite a deal.

I have to admit I half way expect to check this site one afternoon and see the "Cutler to Houston" thread.

HPF Bob · #10 03-16-2009, 01:04 AM

I think Tampa Bay and Detroit want to do a deal more than we do. The difference is that neither has a QB of starting caliber to offer in return. And what does Denver do if they don't get a QB in the trade? Start the spleenless Chris Simms all year?

Cutler has put the feeding frenzy in full throttle tonight. He's demanding a trade and, in the past few days, he and his parents have both listed their Denver homes for sale.

He's cut the legs out of almost any leverage the Broncos might have had in trade talks. The Broncos would be smarter to cut their losses and deal him before the asking price falls any lower. Once the draft has come and gone, the options will become even less.

The Broncos were idiots to start this but now it makes more sense to do the deal sooner rather than later. I think there's almost no chance he won't be traded.

TheMatrix31 · #11 03-16-2009, 05:31 AM

Is there any real chance that we'd be interested?

popanot · #12 03-16-2009, 07:10 AM

A trade with Carolina for Peppers will go down before this one ever will. That's how far-fetched this is. My bet is Kubiak and Smith play it safe and go into (possibly their last) season with what they know instead of some prima donna QB who has basically done nothing other than to show he's an immature brat.