Would You Do Cutler To Houston For Schaub and Our #1?

HPF Bob · #1 03-01-2009, 01:10 AM

ESPN and others are reporting that the new Bronco management is shopping Pro Bowl QB Jay Cutler. Yes, they're morons for thinking it but apparently the Cutler-McDaniel relationship must have got off to a bad start and has been getting worse. McDaniel was trying to bring Matt Cassel to Denver which means he was also looking for a way to send Cutler elsewhere. And I doubt Cutler is thrilled over the thought of a new offense where the QB's job is to throw dink passes to Jabar Gaffney (yes, that Jabar Gaffney) and J.J. Arrington when not handing off to Correll Buckhalter.

So, if the Broncos are stupid enough to deal Cutler, I hope the Texans are smart enough to take him off their hands. If we offered our latter day Chris Chandler (Schaub) and our #1 pick this year (#15 overall), would you pull the trigger?

Yeah, Keith, the cap ramifications would be horrendous but we'd finally have a QB that doesn't have a glass jaw, throws a bonafide deep ball and already knows the offensive system. And with burners like AJ, AD and Jacoby Jones to throw to, defenses would soil their pants fearing our deep speed.

I posted this under "The Other 31" because I don't think this will really happen but I can dream, can't I?

Trojans2 · #2 02-28-2009, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by HPF Bob

More Denver connection. He's been Cutler's backup.

With Cutler on the block and the Denver connection would the numbers match up to inquire about a Shaub/Cutler trade? I am a fan of Cutler's arm strength and feel he would excel under Kubiak.

James · #3 03-01-2009, 12:22 AM

Swap em and they can have D. Anderson, sounds like a deal to me!

Nconroe · #4 03-01-2009, 08:31 AM

my first impression is probably not. Schaub is a little more mature, little better passer rating. a little taller. Cutler seems to be less injury prone, fumbles less.

popanot · #5 03-18-2009, 05:47 AM

People need to realize that this may be Kubiak's last season. I doubt he's going to make a bold move like this and take on a 'new guy' with what's at stake. Physical prowess aside, Schaub already knows Kubiak's system and has proven he can run it effectively. I think Kubiak would rather gamble that Schaub can stay healthy over the unknown of what Cutler may bring. We know Cutler has talent, but there's no guarantee he can quickly pick up the system and fully integrate with his teammates. Kubiak seems to be the type who plays it safe until he knows it's a lost cause (ala, Carr).

Joshua · #6 03-18-2009, 01:56 PM

What I'm wondering about is whether any of this stuff came up during McDaniels' interviews for the job. Cutler is pretty much the face of the franchise. You would think that one of the questions for McDaniels is what he thought of Cutler and whether he wanted to work with him. Also, everyone knew Cassel was on the trade block. You would also think that one of the follow up questions is whether McDaniels had any desire to pursue Cassel. If McDaniels said he would be interested in pursuing Cassel, then they should have had a better plan than they did. If McDaniels said he was happy with Cutler, I would be pretty steamed if I'm the owner and only 1 month later he's alienated my QB to the point where he's requested a trade.

From the comments I've read from Bowlen, it doesn't sound like these questions were really considered. That strikes me as peculiar.

TheMatrix31 · #7 03-19-2009, 07:41 PM

I don't think this would be Kubiak's last season, unless something drastically bad happens.

We've shown improvement in each of his three years here, going 6-10, 8-8, and 8-8. It's about time we go above .500, or make the playoffs, but we're in a tough ass division, and I don't think Kubiak is necessarily on the hot seat.

HPF Bob · #8 03-19-2009, 10:09 PM

I think he may be in the hot seat if the defense doesn't improve yet Kubiak will tell you he's never been a defensive coach so I think blaming him for the defense's failure would be a little unfair. His failure would be essentially not bringing in the coaches/personnel to upgrade the defense - which is something you ought to blame Rick Smith for as much as the head coach.

coloradodude · #9 03-01-2009, 01:25 AM

You guys know Jay Cutler is on the trading block right?

(sorry, just saw Trojan's post)

Keith · #10 03-01-2009, 07:42 AM

fyi - I moved the Cutler-related posts from the Ramsey/Orlovsky thread and merged them with Bob's post and thread title. Let's keep the Cutler discussion in here for now.

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Originally Posted by HPF Bob

Yeah, Keith, the cap ramifications would be horrendous

Actually, if you were to trade Schaub, now wouldn't be the worst time to do it. Schaub signed a 6-year contract, but it was broken in half by a major option bonus ($10mm) due to him by around the end of the 2009 league year.

If Schaub were traded now, the team would only need to accelerate the unamortized bonuses already committed, leaving that $10 million option to whatever team received him (assuming the contract isn't re-worked).

Schaub's original signing bonus was $4.5mm (split six ways at $750k per), so with this year and three more remaining, the dead money on the deal would just be $4 million (vs his $6.95 million base salary this year).

Money aside... Giving up a #1 plus Schaub seems too much to me. And I realize the "Denver connection" we seem to have, but Kubiak has no connection to Cutler, so this is different than prior Bronco allegiances.

Lastly, I guess I'm not ready to sell Schaub short. Yes, he's been hurt, but he has suffered illegal hits in getting hurt. He came back last season and played better than ever. He is reaching that magical point in the Kubiak offense where QBs turn the corner and take off.

ETA - I dumped this into the 2nd half of the latest post on the front page of the site.
http://www.inthebullseye.com/archive/2009/20090301.html

James · #11 03-01-2009, 08:10 AM

We have to remember that Cutler has diabetes as well, and while Schaub may seem fragile, a diabetic QB seems a bit scary as well.

popanot · #12 03-01-2009, 08:29 AM

No, I wouldn't do that deal. I would rather have given up my #2 for Cassel than trade for Cutler. The kid has talent, but is not all there mentally. I think it's telling the Broncos are considering dumping him in only his 4th season in the league. I can't imagine it's only because of some personality rift between QB and new HC. There's got to be a lot more to this than meets the eye.

Mike · #13 03-01-2009, 08:33 AM

Hell no. Cutler was the #12 overall IIRC. I would not give up #15 and then our QB. That is crazy! I like Cutlet alot, but that is just silly to give up that much.

The diabetes does not concern me at all, if he keeps his insulin pump on and working properly and with the medical attention he surely gets from being a pro athlete, then that does not add much additional risk to his NFL career.

TexanJedi · #14 03-01-2009, 09:15 AM

If anything the deal should be Cutler for Schaub and our #2 and maybe one of our two 4th's.

HPF Bob · #15 03-01-2009, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike

Hell no. Cutler was the #12 overall IIRC. I would not give up #15 and then our QB. That is crazy!

Cutler was #11, actually, but it doesn't matter where he was drafted. Would you turn down a trade for Tom Brady because he wasn't taken until the 5th round? THAT is crazy.

Look at it this way. Between Vince Young (taken third in '05), Matt Leinart (taken 10th in '05) and Cutler, who would you draft today?