Would You Do Cutler To Houston For Schaub and Our #1?

Keith · #1 03-01-2009, 07:42 AM

fyi - I moved the Cutler-related posts from the Ramsey/Orlovsky thread and merged them with Bob's post and thread title. Let's keep the Cutler discussion in here for now.

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Originally Posted by HPF Bob

Yeah, Keith, the cap ramifications would be horrendous

Actually, if you were to trade Schaub, now wouldn't be the worst time to do it. Schaub signed a 6-year contract, but it was broken in half by a major option bonus ($10mm) due to him by around the end of the 2009 league year.

If Schaub were traded now, the team would only need to accelerate the unamortized bonuses already committed, leaving that $10 million option to whatever team received him (assuming the contract isn't re-worked).

Schaub's original signing bonus was $4.5mm (split six ways at $750k per), so with this year and three more remaining, the dead money on the deal would just be $4 million (vs his $6.95 million base salary this year).

Money aside... Giving up a #1 plus Schaub seems too much to me. And I realize the "Denver connection" we seem to have, but Kubiak has no connection to Cutler, so this is different than prior Bronco allegiances.

Lastly, I guess I'm not ready to sell Schaub short. Yes, he's been hurt, but he has suffered illegal hits in getting hurt. He came back last season and played better than ever. He is reaching that magical point in the Kubiak offense where QBs turn the corner and take off.

ETA - I dumped this into the 2nd half of the latest post on the front page of the site.
http://www.inthebullseye.com/archive/2009/20090301.html

James · #2 03-01-2009, 08:10 AM

We have to remember that Cutler has diabetes as well, and while Schaub may seem fragile, a diabetic QB seems a bit scary as well.

popanot · #3 03-01-2009, 08:29 AM

No, I wouldn't do that deal. I would rather have given up my #2 for Cassel than trade for Cutler. The kid has talent, but is not all there mentally. I think it's telling the Broncos are considering dumping him in only his 4th season in the league. I can't imagine it's only because of some personality rift between QB and new HC. There's got to be a lot more to this than meets the eye.

Mike · #4 03-01-2009, 08:33 AM

Hell no. Cutler was the #12 overall IIRC. I would not give up #15 and then our QB. That is crazy! I like Cutlet alot, but that is just silly to give up that much.

The diabetes does not concern me at all, if he keeps his insulin pump on and working properly and with the medical attention he surely gets from being a pro athlete, then that does not add much additional risk to his NFL career.

TexanJedi · #5 03-01-2009, 09:15 AM

If anything the deal should be Cutler for Schaub and our #2 and maybe one of our two 4th's.

NBT · #6 03-01-2009, 01:03 PM

After thinking about it awhile, I think I would just leave this hot potato in the oven. Something just doesn't smell right about Cutler and Denver.

HPF Bob · #7 03-01-2009, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike

Hell no. Cutler was the #12 overall IIRC. I would not give up #15 and then our QB. That is crazy!

Cutler was #11, actually, but it doesn't matter where he was drafted. Would you turn down a trade for Tom Brady because he wasn't taken until the 5th round? THAT is crazy.

Look at it this way. Between Vince Young (taken third in '05), Matt Leinart (taken 10th in '05) and Cutler, who would you draft today?

dadmg · #8 03-01-2009, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HPF Bob

Between Vince Young (taken third in '05), Matt Leinart (taken 10th in '05) and Cutler, who would you draft today?

Is there a none of the above? I may be the only guy in the universe that's not sold on Cutler.

TheMatrix31 · #9 03-02-2009, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by HPF Bob

Cutler was #11, actually, but it doesn't matter where he was drafted. Would you turn down a trade for Tom Brady because he wasn't taken until the 5th round? THAT is crazy.

Look at it this way. Between Vince Young (taken third in '05), Matt Leinart (taken 10th in '05) and Cutler, who would you draft today?

I would have taken Cutler then and I would take him now.

I'd kill to trade for him.

HPF Bob · #10 03-02-2009, 05:34 PM

Thanks, Matrix. I was beginning to wonder if anybody thought Cutler was a good QB. While Schaub plus the #1 pick for Cutler may seem expensive to some, I'd bet it is the minimum to get a trade done.

I did see a suggestion on another board that wouldn't involve draft choices: Schaub and DT Amobi Okoye to Denver for Cutler and RT Ryan Harris. That's an intriguing trade. Okoye is probably viewed as a better talent than Harris but the difference is roughly equivalent to the one between Schaub and Cutler.

NBT · #11 03-05-2009, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMatrix31

I would have taken Cutler then and I would take him now.

I'd kill to trade for him.

Then you would have died for nothing!

Mike · #12 03-02-2009, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by HPF Bob

Cutler was #11, actually, but it doesn't matter where he was drafted. Would you turn down a trade for Tom Brady because he wasn't taken until the 5th round? THAT is crazy.

Look at it this way. Between Vince Young (taken third in '05), Matt Leinart (taken 10th in '05) and Cutler, who would you draft today?

Big difference between Cutler and Brady, but I see your point.

I would take Cutler over and over before those other two.

TheMatrix31 · #13 03-03-2009, 02:15 AM

I think Cutler would be an elite QB under Kubiak. I could just imagine him throwing bootleg bombs out to Andre.