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[NBT]

Question: (1) DE Aaron Maybin seems kinda light in the butt for a 4-3 DE in the NFL? No question about his first step though. (2) CB/S Dominique (another one) Johnson is very intriguing, but he is supposedly a hothead and likes to talk back to his coaches?

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by NBT

Question: (1) DE Aaron Maybin seems kinda light in the butt for a 4-3 DE in the NFL? No question about his first step though.

I believe I have him listed as a OLB, not a DE. As Roy said, he maybe a guy you play at SAM on 1st and 2nd down, then allow him to move DE for nickle packages.

[jppaul]

I think he would be fine at DE, run stopping is not his forte but I think he is quick enough to disrupt. Its just a tradeoff, would you prefer Tyson Jackson, an absolute brick wall in the running game or Maybin whose quickness can get pressure and disrupt run plays?

I like Maybin, personally.

[edo783]

Originally Posted by jppaul

I like Maybin, personally.

Kind of where I'm leaning also. I want the DE with the quickest first step and the speed to get into the backfield we can get. Bonus time would be if he can stuff the run, but as long as he isn't a total liability with the run, I can live with him as long as he can get to the QB quickly. Put him at RDE and Mario at LDE where, IMO he does his best anyway, and tell them "Go fetch".

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by edo783

I want the DE with the quickest first step and the speed to get into the backfield we can get. Bonus time would be if he can stuff the run, but as long as he isn't a total liability with the run, I can live with him as long as he can get to the QB quickly.

The quickest "we can get" is where the rub is. Ideally, Everette Brown is on the board, if not, there is a bit of a step down. Also, "as long as he isn't a total liability with the run" is a pretty big phrase when discussing potential DEs.

There are some trade offs that are going to be considered. We aren't going to be able to have our cake and eat it too. If Brown is gone, as I suspect, I feel our next best combination of pass rush/run stuffing is Orakpo. He's not great at either, but sufficient at both. Maybin gives you a lot more pass rush, but you really pay for it against the run. Of course, he wouldn't be that big of a liability against the run as an OLB. However, as a DE, he would be. Lastly, Ayers may not be the pass rusher that Orakpo is, but he's better vs. the run.

[edo783]

Originally Posted by Roy P

The quickest "we can get" is where the rub is. Ideally, Everette Brown is on the board, if not, there is a bit of a step down. Also, "as long as he isn't a total liability with the run" is a pretty big phrase when discussing potential DEs.

There are some trade offs that are going to be considered. We aren't going to be able to have our cake and eat it too. If Brown is gone, as I suspect, I feel our next best combination of pass rush/run stuffing is Orakpo. He's not great at either, but sufficient at both. Maybin gives you a lot more pass rush, but you really pay for it against the run. Of course, he wouldn't be that big of a liability against the run as an OLB. However, as a DE, he would be. Lastly, Ayers may not be the pass rusher that Orakpo is, but he's better vs. the run.

All true Roy and that is why it lean towards Maybin as he is supposed to be the best PURE pass rusher. I could see him as an OLB on downs 1&2 and then a DE on 3. I don't think he has played OLB, so that may be a real barrier to that plan. If he is a total liability in run and isn't suitable as a OLB, then we can't draft him because then he would be just a 1 down specialist and you don't take that type at 15. Orakpo is fairly likely to be there at 15 and would probably be the safest pick for us and with the added benefit of perhaps stopping the horns fans from sniveling that we never pick their guys.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by edo783

All true Roy and that is why it lean towards Maybin as he is supposed to be the best PURE pass rusher. I could see him as an OLB on downs 1&2 and then a DE on 3. I don't think he has played OLB, so that may be a real barrier to that plan. If he is a total liability in run and isn't suitable as a OLB, then we can't draft him because then he would be just a 1 down specialist and you don't take that type at 15. Orakpo is fairly likely to be there at 15 and would probably be the safest pick for us and with the added benefit of perhaps stopping the horns fans from sniveling that we never pick their guys.

I think he killed that idea, at least for me., he ran 4.78 a little slow for a OLB in my book. OK for a DE.

I will admit, I have no clue what to do at 15 if they keep the pick.