Jacques Reeves = Texans' Best DB in 2008. Discuss.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by chuck

I don't understand why you doggedly cling to this. No one else thinks this, not least the opposing team's OCs and QBs who test Reeves at least twice for each throw to the other sideline.

mod note - split this thread from the one about Dunta and Adibi starting vs. Browns (man, that's two already split from there, and I think there may even be a third...).

Just to add to the convo, McClain chimed in with statistical info that suggests Reeves hasn't totally sucked. Not sure if having McClain and DB stats on your side really helps here or not, but here you go:

Looking at statistics through 10 games, Reeves had been thrown at 55 times (ranking 33rd). He had allowed 29 completions (44th). He’d given up 468 yards (25th). He has surrendered two TDs (61st). ...

In other words, there are a lot of big-time corners giving up more catches, yards and touchdowns than Reeves.

Anyway, I ran some of these numbers by Smith, who pointed out how hard Reeves has worked, how much he’s improved and how much better they expect him to be next season. ...

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6132948.html

[papabear]

Originally Posted by Keith

Just to add to the convo, McClain chimed in with statistical info that suggests Reeves hasn't totally sucked. Not sure if having McClain and DB stats on your side really helps here or not, but here you go:



http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6132948.html

Once I saw that article I actually threw up a little at the fact that I sort of agree with McClain. Reeves hasn't been great, good, or even decent. He still has been better than our other corners this season.

I don't think teams really target one of our targets more than the other...I think they just target our secondary. Keep Mario off your QB, and good things happen.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by papabear

Once I saw that article I actually threw up a little at the fact that I sort of agree with McClain. Reeves hasn't been great, good, or even decent. He still has been better than our other corners this season.

I don't think teams really target one of our targets more than the other...I think they just target our secondary. Keep Mario off your QB, and good things happen.

This.

Find where I said Reeves is good. I haven't just that this season he has outplayed the rest. If someone wants Molden on the field they should be calling for Fred Bennett's head.

As for Kubiak not playing young guys, this is another message board invention. Adibi was hurt the whole first part of the year and as soon as he was practicing he was playing. Same with Bennett last year. He got healthy and started EARNING playing time. That is how it should be.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by barrett

This.

Find where I said Reeves is good. I haven't just that this season he has outplayed the rest. If someone wants Molden on the field they should be calling for Fred Bennett's head.

As for Kubiak not playing young guys, this is another message board invention. Adibi was hurt the whole first part of the year and as soon as he was practicing he was playing. Same with Bennett last year. He got healthy and started EARNING playing time. That is how it should be.

This is all a mute point anyway. No matter who we have playing in the secondary they are going to get picked apart, until we get some sort of consistant pressure on the QB. Seeing how our D linemen are tought to READ AND REACT and we seldom use blitzes, that might be awhile. Like until we get a new DC or this one grows some balls and takes some chances and plays his players to their strength.

[coloradodude]

Barrett, you wrote this...

"Either way even if he is targeted more he has 13 passes defended (9th in NFL) and 3 interceptions."


And if you know the answer to my question, then please answer it. How many receivers have got the first down when he was covering them?

Reeves will be playing in Canada within 2 years.


Edit: I just read the rest of the thread and found out what it was about. Is Reeves better than our other corners? Who cares? Our secondary (minus Dunta) sucks! And I'm not impressed with our D-line nor our LB's play.

The question I have is who's the worst starting defensive player overall?

[barrett]

Originally Posted by coloradodude

Barrett, you wrote this...

"Either way even if he is targeted more he has 13 passes defended (9th in NFL) and 3 interceptions."


And if you know the answer to my question, then please answer it. How many receivers have got the first down when he was covering them?

Reeves will be playing in Canada within 2 years.


Edit: I just read the rest of the thread and found out what it was about. Is Reeves better than our other corners? Who cares? Our secondary (minus Dunta) sucks! And I'm not impressed with our D-line nor our LB's play.

The question I have is who's the worst starting defensive player overall?

CD,
It took you going back to read it again, but you hit my thoughts perfect. Our Defense sucks and the problem is not Reeves. He is replacable, upgradable, and generally mediocre, but on this defense that is not bad. That was the only point I ever tried to make. That the finger pointing and scape goating belonged on plenty of guys before him.

I won't answer your question directly but I'll tell you the blame I'd asess for our defense.
1. Gary Kubiak (bad hire, too much loyalty, not enough involvement on D...all of them equal asleep at the wheel and make him ultimately responsible even though I am a big fan of his).
2. Richard smith
3. Amobi Okoye (started all season but has impacted one game I can remember)
4. Fred Bennett (toasted all season)
5. Anthony Weaver (sad when your 290 lb DE who is supposed to play the run makes his biggest contribution in pass coverage).
6. Greenwood (terrible two years ago, ok last year, terrible again this year)
7. Harrison/Brown/earl/etc... (clearly the worst spot on the team to me, but I don't blame them since I don't think they have underachieved. Usually a SS can hit if they are bad in coverage. These guys can't cover anyone and they can't hit anyone. The recuring view of our SS is of one of them pulling on a guy's ankles 12 yards down field)
8. Travis Johnson (warm body who plays mediocre)
9. Reeves (made a few plays and gave up a few more)
10. Demeco Ryans (played well in week 1 and disappeared until two games ago. Injuries mean I understand it, but he was still on the field not making many plays).
11. Mario (disappears too often but makes more plays than the rest combined)
12. Diles/bentley (solid play at a position that calls for solid play).
13. Eugene Wilson (first safety in Texans history to look at the QB after the ball is snapped)
14. Buhlman/cochran (two overachievers who have played better than expected)

[chuck]

Originally Posted by barrett

I won't answer your question directly but I'll tell you the blame I'd asess for our defense.

This is a pretty solid list.