Jacques Reeves = Texans' Best DB in 2008. Discuss.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by barrett

Reeves has CLEARLY been our best CB this year and it's not even close.

I don't understand why you doggedly cling to this. No one else thinks this, not least the opposing team's OCs and QBs who test Reeves at least twice for each throw to the other sideline.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by chuck

I don't understand why you doggedly cling to this. No one else thinks this, not least the opposing team's OCs and QBs who test Reeves at least twice for each throw to the other sideline.

Really? Nobody else thinks this? Not the coaching staff who watches these guys in film and spends everyday with them in practice? Seems that they have benched Bennett even in favor of Faggins (forget Molden). Reeves is the only guy they have started all season so they clearly agree.

As for who gets targeted more by opposing defenses, I don't know. Give us a link with your 2-to-1 numbers. The problem is you're making it up. Either way even if he is targeted more he has 13 passes defended (9th in NFL) and 3 interceptions. Both of those numbers are better than the rest of our corners COMBINED. And before you claim its because he is thrown at the most, go take the time to see the rest of the CBs atop that passes defended list with him.

Either way my point is why would we pull Reeves when about 8 out of the other 10 starters on our terrible defense have played worse than him. People let Reeves' bad contract cloud their view of him as a player. My point is, they have all been paid already, so lets play the guy who is performing the best right now. If in the offseason someone wants to argue we should look to upgrade or replace at CB I will say I agree. But right now, regardless of value, or the bang for the buck, Jaque Reeves is our best corner and there is no reason to bench him.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by barrett

Really? Nobody else thinks this? Not the coaching staff who watches these guys in film and spends everyday with them in practice? Seems that they have benched Bennett even in favor of Faggins (forget Molden). Reeves is the only guy they have started all season so they clearly agree.

You really think they are going to not start a guy they just signed to a big contract? This coaching staff is slow to play young players. They already have a track record of it. They kept Green instead of a younger more reliable RB. I bet he would still be starting if he could get on the field. If Kubiack comes with that same line as last year "I should of gotten im some more playing time sooner" I'll be real dissapointed in him. In fact Im starting to fall of the Kubiak bandwagon. My grip is gettint looser ans looser.

As far as other teams targeting Reeves more, just listen to the commentary during the games. Half the time the announcers are the ones making that assumption so there has to be something to it.

[cadams]

Originally Posted by barrett

Really? Nobody else thinks this? Not the coaching staff who watches these guys in film and spends everyday with them in practice?

Yeah, they started Dayne (who took out our Spencer), Greenwood (over adibi all year, and the only reason Adibi is starting now is because Greenwood got hurt, and it is clear the team is better with Adibi starting), Earl and Brown at safety until they got hurt (and the tandm we have now is clearly better). I could continue, but I will stop here.

And for the record, I am not a Kubiak hater, I think he is a hell of an offensive coach, I just think he falls in love with some players for certain reasons (faggins because he trys hard on every play and has a good attitude), and tends to keep giving them chances for too long. Reeves may end up being a decent cb for this team, but if he does, I think it will be at the nickle position.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by chuck

I don't understand why you doggedly cling to this. No one else thinks this, not least the opposing team's OCs and QBs who test Reeves at least twice for each throw to the other sideline.

I do.........

[Keith]

Originally Posted by chuck

I don't understand why you doggedly cling to this. No one else thinks this, not least the opposing team's OCs and QBs who test Reeves at least twice for each throw to the other sideline.

mod note - split this thread from the one about Dunta and Adibi starting vs. Browns (man, that's two already split from there, and I think there may even be a third...).

Just to add to the convo, McClain chimed in with statistical info that suggests Reeves hasn't totally sucked. Not sure if having McClain and DB stats on your side really helps here or not, but here you go:

Looking at statistics through 10 games, Reeves had been thrown at 55 times (ranking 33rd). He had allowed 29 completions (44th). He’d given up 468 yards (25th). He has surrendered two TDs (61st). ...

In other words, there are a lot of big-time corners giving up more catches, yards and touchdowns than Reeves.

Anyway, I ran some of these numbers by Smith, who pointed out how hard Reeves has worked, how much he’s improved and how much better they expect him to be next season. ...

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6132948.html

[papabear]

Originally Posted by Keith

Just to add to the convo, McClain chimed in with statistical info that suggests Reeves hasn't totally sucked. Not sure if having McClain and DB stats on your side really helps here or not, but here you go:



http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6132948.html

Once I saw that article I actually threw up a little at the fact that I sort of agree with McClain. Reeves hasn't been great, good, or even decent. He still has been better than our other corners this season.

I don't think teams really target one of our targets more than the other...I think they just target our secondary. Keep Mario off your QB, and good things happen.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by papabear

Once I saw that article I actually threw up a little at the fact that I sort of agree with McClain. Reeves hasn't been great, good, or even decent. He still has been better than our other corners this season.

I don't think teams really target one of our targets more than the other...I think they just target our secondary. Keep Mario off your QB, and good things happen.

This.

Find where I said Reeves is good. I haven't just that this season he has outplayed the rest. If someone wants Molden on the field they should be calling for Fred Bennett's head.

As for Kubiak not playing young guys, this is another message board invention. Adibi was hurt the whole first part of the year and as soon as he was practicing he was playing. Same with Bennett last year. He got healthy and started EARNING playing time. That is how it should be.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by barrett

This.

Find where I said Reeves is good. I haven't just that this season he has outplayed the rest. If someone wants Molden on the field they should be calling for Fred Bennett's head.

As for Kubiak not playing young guys, this is another message board invention. Adibi was hurt the whole first part of the year and as soon as he was practicing he was playing. Same with Bennett last year. He got healthy and started EARNING playing time. That is how it should be.

This is all a mute point anyway. No matter who we have playing in the secondary they are going to get picked apart, until we get some sort of consistant pressure on the QB. Seeing how our D linemen are tought to READ AND REACT and we seldom use blitzes, that might be awhile. Like until we get a new DC or this one grows some balls and takes some chances and plays his players to their strength.

[coloradodude]

Barrett, you wrote this...

"Either way even if he is targeted more he has 13 passes defended (9th in NFL) and 3 interceptions."


And if you know the answer to my question, then please answer it. How many receivers have got the first down when he was covering them?

Reeves will be playing in Canada within 2 years.


Edit: I just read the rest of the thread and found out what it was about. Is Reeves better than our other corners? Who cares? Our secondary (minus Dunta) sucks! And I'm not impressed with our D-line nor our LB's play.

The question I have is who's the worst starting defensive player overall?