QB Poll #1

[HPF Bob]

I agree, the price for Garrapolo is too high given the track record of Brady understudies cut loose from the Patriots, even when getting back a 3rd in 2018 to help offset the loss of our #2 pick in the Osweiler deal.

The trade I would make, if it could happen, is getting A.J. McCarron from the Bengals for a third or (hopefully) a fourth. He hardly played in 2016 behind Andy Dalton but he looked satisfactory in late-season action in 2015 when Dalton was hurt. His QB rating for his career is 97.1 and he has playoff experience (would have won expect for the Bonehead Brothers of Burfict and Jones).

Flashy? No. Strong arm? No. But comes from a winning tradition (national championship QB at Alabama), plays under control and limits mistakes.

I know a lot of you will sniff "retread" but I think he's good enough to win with *this year* instead of waiting for somebody who can win in '18 or '19. He's not going to break the bank and, given Smith's record with second-day choices, a third is not too much to give up.

Since he's not going to cost a lot, he's easily tradeable or releaseable if/when the time comes that our QBOTF is ready to step in. My problem with Kaep and Cutler is not cost as much as they turn into whiny bitches after a couple of losses and alienate their teammates. THAT'S why both are still on the market today, not because they want too much money.

Of course, if we never fix our OL problems, the question becomes moot.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

I agree, the price for Garrapolo is too high given the track record of Brady understudies cut loose from the Patriots, even when getting back a 3rd in 2018 to help offset the loss of our #2 pick in the Osweiler deal.

The trade I would make, if it could happen, is getting A.J. McCarron from the Bengals for a third or (hopefully) a fourth. He hardly played in 2016 behind Andy Dalton but he looked satisfactory in late-season action in 2015 when Dalton was hurt. His QB rating for his career is 97.1 and he has playoff experience (would have won expect for the Bonehead Brothers of Burfict and Jones).

Flashy? No. Strong arm? No. But comes from a winning tradition (national championship QB at Alabama), plays under control and limits mistakes.

I know a lot of you will sniff "retread" but I think he's good enough to win with *this year* instead of waiting for somebody who can win in '18 or '19. He's not going to break the bank and, given Smith's record with second-day choices, a third is not too much to give up.

Since he's not going to cost a lot, he's easily tradeable or releaseable if/when the time comes that our QBOTF is ready to step in. My problem with Kaep and Cutler is not cost as much as they turn into whiny bitches after a couple of losses and alienate their teammates. THAT'S why both are still on the market today, not because they want too much money.

Of course, if we never fix our OL problems, the question becomes moot.

I don't mind McCarron for a 4th, I don't like it for a 3rd. This is assuming we still pick a QB in the first 2 rounds. I don't think he's a retread because he has not yet been 'tread'. He's a career backup. But if O'Brien looks at film and likes him more that Savage (or even as much), then give it a shot.

I don't think we are at a place where we should take one shot at fixing this. Since all shots are long shots (at least in terms of 2017 QB play), we should take 3-4 simultaneous shots, let them all fight for the job, and hope one of them works. I compare it to when Seattle signed Matt Flynn AND drafted Russell Wilson and then let the mid round rookie beat out the FA in camp.

I want us to draft a QB early (round 1 or 2), draft a QB late (day 3), sign a veteran, and throw them all in a bag with Savage and see who fights their way out.

[HPF Bob]

I could live with that, Barrett. We need to go QB/OL or OL/QB in the first two rounds, trade a mid-round pick for a competent backup and keep Savage and Weeden. With that many, not sure we need to use the 7th on another QB. That would already be four in camp.

The remaining draft picks would be to shore up the defense (DL, edge, safety, CB) and possibly pick up another OG or RB.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

I could live with that, Barrett. We need to go QB/OL or OL/QB in the first two rounds, trade a mid-round pick for a competent backup and keep Savage and Weeden. With that many, not sure we need to use the 7th on another QB. That would already be four in camp.

The remaining draft picks would be to shore up the defense (DL, edge, safety, CB) and possibly pick up another OG or RB.

If you trade a mid-round pick then bring in a UDFA. Maybe he beats out Savage or the competent backup for the 3rd spot. Basically throw young bodies at the problem in the short term.

[Nconroe]

Remember next year draft is supposed to have 5 or more potential franchise quality QBs. As opposed to almost all longshots in this year's draft.

[HPF Bob]

Originally Posted by Nconroe

Remember next year draft is supposed to have 5 or more potential franchise quality QBs. As opposed to almost all longshots in this year's draft.

I hear stuff like that I wonder who they are talking about. Two years ago, before the season started, who knew about Goff? Who knew about Wentz? Yes, this is a down year for QBs but you never know and, hopefully, next year we're still drafting in the 20s. so the "franchise" QBs may still be out of reach, particularly if they are *obvious* franchise QBs.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Nconroe

Remember next year draft is supposed to have 5 or more potential franchise quality QBs. As opposed to almost all longshots in this year's draft.

Any QB who is on the radar for more than 1 season ends up falling after scouts get time to pick them apart. A year ago Deshaun Watson was a super prospect and #1 pick. He was better than any QB in the 2016 draft. Then a year went by where he won the national championship and his draft stock did nothing but fall. I never buy it when they project QBs a year out. Half of those 5 will be day 2-3 picks by next year. And some strong armed small school guy with limited tape will be the first QB off the board.

[HPF Bob]

What happened to Watson in 2017 was 17 interceptions, more than any other QB considered in the top half of the draft. One reason the draftniks are smitten with Trubisky is that he was only picked six times.