QB Poll #1

[bikerack]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

Would you be happier right now if we had taken Bridgewater or Bortles over Clowney? We took Kevin Johnson at #16 the following year and the next QB taken after him was Garrett Grayson at #76. Do you want him? Last year, they took Jacoby Jones 2.0 but they thought they already had their QB of the future so they loaded up on pass catchers. Should they have drafted Paxton Lynch or Christian Hackenberg?

I'd be happier if they took Jimmy G. over Su'a-Filo...<backing away from thread slowly>

[HPF Bob]

Originally Posted by bikerack

I'd be happier if they took Jimmy G. over Su'a-Filo...<backing away from thread slowly>

So would you trade for him now, knowing the Patriots want a #1 pick in return?

[bikerack]

If all they want is #25, then I lean heavily yes...I'd trade for him. I'd put him above any of the QB prospects.

If they want #25 plus another 1st next year I would need to really think about it (especially since we'd have no 2nd rounder next year either).

[barrett]

Originally Posted by bikerack

If all they want is #25, then I lean heavily yes...I'd trade for him. I'd put him above any of the QB prospects.

If they want #25 plus another 1st next year I would need to really think about it (especially since we'd have no 2nd rounder next year either).

No way do I give up a first for him. Any trade for him will include paying a giant contract extension for him. So you give up your first round pick for the right to pay $20 Million a year for a guy who has less history than Brock. The risk/reward tilts way too far in the wrong direction.

The main value of a rookie QB is they are cheap. Even a 1st round pick is about a quarter of a low end starter salary wise.

And yes Bob. I would have been happier if they tried to draft a QB and failed. Getting a great QB in this league is hard and usually involves a fair amount of luck. There is no shame in not having one. It is admirable to build a quality team without one. But it is beyond comprehension to let year after year pass without investing draft picks in the QB position.

[HPF Bob]

I agree, the price for Garrapolo is too high given the track record of Brady understudies cut loose from the Patriots, even when getting back a 3rd in 2018 to help offset the loss of our #2 pick in the Osweiler deal.

The trade I would make, if it could happen, is getting A.J. McCarron from the Bengals for a third or (hopefully) a fourth. He hardly played in 2016 behind Andy Dalton but he looked satisfactory in late-season action in 2015 when Dalton was hurt. His QB rating for his career is 97.1 and he has playoff experience (would have won expect for the Bonehead Brothers of Burfict and Jones).

Flashy? No. Strong arm? No. But comes from a winning tradition (national championship QB at Alabama), plays under control and limits mistakes.

I know a lot of you will sniff "retread" but I think he's good enough to win with *this year* instead of waiting for somebody who can win in '18 or '19. He's not going to break the bank and, given Smith's record with second-day choices, a third is not too much to give up.

Since he's not going to cost a lot, he's easily tradeable or releaseable if/when the time comes that our QBOTF is ready to step in. My problem with Kaep and Cutler is not cost as much as they turn into whiny bitches after a couple of losses and alienate their teammates. THAT'S why both are still on the market today, not because they want too much money.

Of course, if we never fix our OL problems, the question becomes moot.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

I agree, the price for Garrapolo is too high given the track record of Brady understudies cut loose from the Patriots, even when getting back a 3rd in 2018 to help offset the loss of our #2 pick in the Osweiler deal.

The trade I would make, if it could happen, is getting A.J. McCarron from the Bengals for a third or (hopefully) a fourth. He hardly played in 2016 behind Andy Dalton but he looked satisfactory in late-season action in 2015 when Dalton was hurt. His QB rating for his career is 97.1 and he has playoff experience (would have won expect for the Bonehead Brothers of Burfict and Jones).

Flashy? No. Strong arm? No. But comes from a winning tradition (national championship QB at Alabama), plays under control and limits mistakes.

I know a lot of you will sniff "retread" but I think he's good enough to win with *this year* instead of waiting for somebody who can win in '18 or '19. He's not going to break the bank and, given Smith's record with second-day choices, a third is not too much to give up.

Since he's not going to cost a lot, he's easily tradeable or releaseable if/when the time comes that our QBOTF is ready to step in. My problem with Kaep and Cutler is not cost as much as they turn into whiny bitches after a couple of losses and alienate their teammates. THAT'S why both are still on the market today, not because they want too much money.

Of course, if we never fix our OL problems, the question becomes moot.

I don't mind McCarron for a 4th, I don't like it for a 3rd. This is assuming we still pick a QB in the first 2 rounds. I don't think he's a retread because he has not yet been 'tread'. He's a career backup. But if O'Brien looks at film and likes him more that Savage (or even as much), then give it a shot.

I don't think we are at a place where we should take one shot at fixing this. Since all shots are long shots (at least in terms of 2017 QB play), we should take 3-4 simultaneous shots, let them all fight for the job, and hope one of them works. I compare it to when Seattle signed Matt Flynn AND drafted Russell Wilson and then let the mid round rookie beat out the FA in camp.

I want us to draft a QB early (round 1 or 2), draft a QB late (day 3), sign a veteran, and throw them all in a bag with Savage and see who fights their way out.

[HPF Bob]

I could live with that, Barrett. We need to go QB/OL or OL/QB in the first two rounds, trade a mid-round pick for a competent backup and keep Savage and Weeden. With that many, not sure we need to use the 7th on another QB. That would already be four in camp.

The remaining draft picks would be to shore up the defense (DL, edge, safety, CB) and possibly pick up another OG or RB.