Injury to Texans' Brisiel appears to be season-ending

Roy P · #1 10-12-2009, 11:30 PM

Please, for the love of God, let Antoine play so we can see some movement along the line of scrimmage!!!! I'm already wondering if we need to draft Sergio Render or Mike Johnson. One is from Va Tech and the other is from Bama, so I know we have scouts at their games.

painekiller · #2 10-13-2009, 12:34 AM

We are in trouble now, is Fred Weary available to play?

Mike · #3 10-13-2009, 08:55 AM

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We are in trouble now, is Fred Weary available to play?

He works out at a gym in Bellaire. He is around.

painekiller · #4 10-13-2009, 12:54 PM

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He works out at a gym in Bellaire. He is around.

But can he play, he was cut by Browns after only a few weeks.

Brandon Frye is now starting for the Seahawks, so he is unavailable.

Mike · #5 10-13-2009, 01:37 PM

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But can he play, he was cut by Browns after only a few weeks.

Brandon Frye is now starting for the Seahawks, so he is unavailable.

I think we dress Caldwell, bring up the guy from the PS to the active roster. (Stephanovich sp) and sign someone else to the PS. We puled Briesel off the scrap heap, so someone who has been practicing and in the system should have a leg up.

Lance Z was talking about Stephanovich this AM, thinks he has decent skills.

I am not sure the Texans will be eager to bring back Fred, especially after the Outside the Lines piece.

mussop · #6 10-13-2009, 02:51 AM

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Please, for the love of God, let Antoine play so we can see some movement along the line of scrimmage!!!! I'm already wondering if we need to draft Sergio Render or Mike Johnson. One is from Va Tech and the other is from Bama, so I know we have scouts at their games.

I like both of these guys alot. I still say we should of drafted Oher and Mack 1, 2 last draft. Both are starting and looking good.

I know alot of people here are high on him but im worried about Caldwell. I watched him alot in college and despite Bama running a similar scheme, I didnt think he was mobile enough for us. In college he had problems leaning forward too much and getting off balance in space. Hopefully they corrected that since. Guess we'll find out Sunday.

nunusguy · #7 10-13-2009, 07:14 AM

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I like both of these guys alot. I still say we should of drafted Oher and Mack 1, 2 last draft. Both are starting and looking good.

Definitely Oher. I mean all of us now like Cushing, but OTs are just more important than SAMs. We could have moved Winston inside and had Brown and Oher at OTs. That's why a team should place a higher priority on BPA than need with their first round picks.

NBT · #8 10-13-2009, 12:05 PM

[QUOTE=nunusguy;1489 OTs are just more important than SAMs.[/QUOTE]

You gotta open holes to score for sure, but you also need to stuff those holes when your opponent has the ball. I just don't understand your statement. LB's are just as important to winning as OT's IMO.

mussop · #9 10-13-2009, 12:22 PM

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You gotta open holes to score for sure, but you also need to stuff those holes when your opponent has the ball. I just don't understand your statement. LB's are just as important to winning as OT's IMO.

Games are won and lost in the trenches. It doesnt matter how many great skill position guys you have if you cant block long enough to get them the ball, you will never score and therefore you will never win. Thats why you hear so many GM's say you should always build fron the inside out. No way is an OLB as important as a OT.

In fact no LB is as important as the DL in front of him. A LB is only as good as the DL in front of him. The best LB in the world isnt going to make a difference if the DL in front of him isnt capable of doing their job.

Roy P · #10 10-13-2009, 07:07 PM

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Thats why you hear so many GM's say you should always build fron the inside out. No way is an OLB as important as a OT.

We drafted Duane Brown before we drafted Cushing, right?

Now you can say that we should get a RG, but do we justify an interior OL more important than LB?

mussop · #11 10-13-2009, 08:06 PM

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We drafted Duane Brown before we drafted Cushing, right?

Now you can say that we should get a RG, but do we justify an interior OL more important than LB?

Yes we did. Do you consider this OL a finished product? Do you think we can win a champoinship with the current line?

Too youre second question, YES! Have you ever seen a team allow as much pressure from the middle as we do? The current interior/depth of this line is unnaceptable for a team that has championship aspirations. We have all seen what Shaub can do when given time. We have also seen what happens when we dont. We have some great skill players on this offense but none are as important as Schaub. If he isnt protected this whole team suffers. If he gets hurt this team takes a nose dive. There shouldnt be anything more important than getting him the protection he needs to get his job done.

nunusguy · #12 10-13-2009, 12:26 PM

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You gotta open holes to score for sure, but you also need to stuff those holes when your opponent has the ball. I just don't understand your statement. LB's are just as important to winning as OT's IMO.

There's certain positions that are simply recognized as "the" premium positions", namely QB, OT, CB, 4-3 DLinemen, and OLB "in the 3-4 defense".

barrett · #13 10-13-2009, 02:28 PM

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You gotta open holes to score for sure, but you also need to stuff those holes when your opponent has the ball. I just don't understand your statement. LB's are just as important to winning as OT's IMO.

I think you are both right. LBs are just as important to winning as OTs.

However, you find good LBs all over the NFL and teams generally have no trouble procuring them. Undrafted LBs consistently have great success in the NFL while I don't know of any undrafted OTs who play at a high level.

Basic supply and demand here rather than whether a LB or OT helps you win more.

NBT · #14 10-13-2009, 04:49 PM

"Build from the inside out", meaning build the offense first. My reply to that is what the heck have we been doing since Kubes got here, if not building from within? I mean most of his first few drafts were heavy on offense. So, Now we have to build from the outside, meaning defense. Cushing has easily done for us on defense what Winston and Brown have done for us on offense - stabilize us. How can you possibly argue with that?

mussop · #15 10-13-2009, 06:37 PM

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"Build from the inside out", meaning build the offense first. My reply to that is what the heck have we been doing since Kubes got here, if not building from within? I mean most of his first few drafts were heavy on offense. So, Now we have to build from the outside, meaning defense. Cushing has easily done for us on defense what Winston and Brown have done for us on offense - stabilize us. How can you possibly argue with that?

Building from the "inside out" means you start with the trenches (offense and defense) then work youre way out. Trenches = OL/DL.

mussop · #16 10-13-2009, 12:06 PM

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Definitely Oher. I mean all of us now like Cushing, but OTs are just more important than SAMs. We could have moved Winston inside and had Brown and Oher at OTs. That's why a team should place a higher priority on BPA than need with their first round picks.

After rereading my post im not sure I worded that well. I meant Oher in the first and Mack in the Second round.