Jacques Reeves = Texans' Best DB in 2008. Discuss.

[cadams]

Originally Posted by barrett

We need to play young guys, but I think we only play them at the expense of guys who will likely not be here next year. Reeves will probably be starting for us next year, I don't think you bench him for Molden. And I am not sure where you come up with the 2 good games comment. He's been our best DB all season (I know faint praise, but still).

Where I want to see young guys is Adibi at LB (like we have seen the last two weeks. Beyond him I don't think we have any young guys I really want to see. If molden can't crack the 3 deep at CB on this roster what do we really need to see.

I don't care if he has been out "best" corner this year. Best out of a pile of crap isn't saying much. Reeves may be back next year, but he isn't the long term solution, and unless a light turns on he won't be here after next season. Molden was drafted as a long term contributer, and he is a rookie, we won't know what they have in him until he gets real playing time. Reeves on the other hand, is an "established" veteran. You know what you have in him, they need to forget the money they have in him and play him less in order to get the other guys more reps.

If he can't crack the top 3? How do you know there isn't some other reason driving that? Like . . .I don't know . . .a 25 million dollar contract? Kubiak has acknowledged in the past that he made mistakes not playing younger guys at the end of the year, how do you know he won't say the same thing this offseason about Molden?

[barrett]

Originally Posted by cadams

I don't care if he has been out "best" corner this year. Best out of a pile of crap isn't saying much. Reeves may be back next year, but he isn't the long term solution, and unless a light turns on he won't be here after next season. Molden was drafted as a long term contributer, and he is a rookie, we won't know what they have in him until he gets real playing time. Reeves on the other hand, is an "established" veteran. You know what you have in him, they need to forget the money they have in him and play him less in order to get the other guys more reps.

If he can't crack the top 3? How do you know there isn't some other reason driving that? Like . . .I don't know . . .a 25 million dollar contract? Kubiak has acknowledged in the past that he made mistakes not playing younger guys at the end of the year, how do you know he won't say the same thing this offseason about Molden?

I don't understand the logic of benching the guy who has performed on the field. Why not bench Fred Bennet (who has played terrible), or Dunta Robinson (who is improving physically but still can't cover anyone yet). Reeves has CLEARLY been our best CB this year and it's not even close. As far as I'm concerned, play the best players. Now, if they're equal, go with the younger guy. But you don't just play young guys for the sake of playing young guys.

If you're so concerned about everyone getting in the game then go watch youth soccer. I prefer watching the best guy get the spot.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by barrett

Reeves has CLEARLY been our best CB this year and it's not even close.

I don't understand why you doggedly cling to this. No one else thinks this, not least the opposing team's OCs and QBs who test Reeves at least twice for each throw to the other sideline.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by chuck

I don't understand why you doggedly cling to this. No one else thinks this, not least the opposing team's OCs and QBs who test Reeves at least twice for each throw to the other sideline.

Really? Nobody else thinks this? Not the coaching staff who watches these guys in film and spends everyday with them in practice? Seems that they have benched Bennett even in favor of Faggins (forget Molden). Reeves is the only guy they have started all season so they clearly agree.

As for who gets targeted more by opposing defenses, I don't know. Give us a link with your 2-to-1 numbers. The problem is you're making it up. Either way even if he is targeted more he has 13 passes defended (9th in NFL) and 3 interceptions. Both of those numbers are better than the rest of our corners COMBINED. And before you claim its because he is thrown at the most, go take the time to see the rest of the CBs atop that passes defended list with him.

Either way my point is why would we pull Reeves when about 8 out of the other 10 starters on our terrible defense have played worse than him. People let Reeves' bad contract cloud their view of him as a player. My point is, they have all been paid already, so lets play the guy who is performing the best right now. If in the offseason someone wants to argue we should look to upgrade or replace at CB I will say I agree. But right now, regardless of value, or the bang for the buck, Jaque Reeves is our best corner and there is no reason to bench him.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by barrett

Really? Nobody else thinks this? Not the coaching staff who watches these guys in film and spends everyday with them in practice? Seems that they have benched Bennett even in favor of Faggins (forget Molden). Reeves is the only guy they have started all season so they clearly agree.

You really think they are going to not start a guy they just signed to a big contract? This coaching staff is slow to play young players. They already have a track record of it. They kept Green instead of a younger more reliable RB. I bet he would still be starting if he could get on the field. If Kubiack comes with that same line as last year "I should of gotten im some more playing time sooner" I'll be real dissapointed in him. In fact Im starting to fall of the Kubiak bandwagon. My grip is gettint looser ans looser.

As far as other teams targeting Reeves more, just listen to the commentary during the games. Half the time the announcers are the ones making that assumption so there has to be something to it.

[cadams]

Originally Posted by barrett

Really? Nobody else thinks this? Not the coaching staff who watches these guys in film and spends everyday with them in practice?

Yeah, they started Dayne (who took out our Spencer), Greenwood (over adibi all year, and the only reason Adibi is starting now is because Greenwood got hurt, and it is clear the team is better with Adibi starting), Earl and Brown at safety until they got hurt (and the tandm we have now is clearly better). I could continue, but I will stop here.

And for the record, I am not a Kubiak hater, I think he is a hell of an offensive coach, I just think he falls in love with some players for certain reasons (faggins because he trys hard on every play and has a good attitude), and tends to keep giving them chances for too long. Reeves may end up being a decent cb for this team, but if he does, I think it will be at the nickle position.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by chuck

I don't understand why you doggedly cling to this. No one else thinks this, not least the opposing team's OCs and QBs who test Reeves at least twice for each throw to the other sideline.

I do.........

[Keith]

Originally Posted by chuck

I don't understand why you doggedly cling to this. No one else thinks this, not least the opposing team's OCs and QBs who test Reeves at least twice for each throw to the other sideline.

mod note - split this thread from the one about Dunta and Adibi starting vs. Browns (man, that's two already split from there, and I think there may even be a third...).

Just to add to the convo, McClain chimed in with statistical info that suggests Reeves hasn't totally sucked. Not sure if having McClain and DB stats on your side really helps here or not, but here you go:

Looking at statistics through 10 games, Reeves had been thrown at 55 times (ranking 33rd). He had allowed 29 completions (44th). He’d given up 468 yards (25th). He has surrendered two TDs (61st). ...

In other words, there are a lot of big-time corners giving up more catches, yards and touchdowns than Reeves.

Anyway, I ran some of these numbers by Smith, who pointed out how hard Reeves has worked, how much he’s improved and how much better they expect him to be next season. ...

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6132948.html

[papabear]

Originally Posted by Keith

Just to add to the convo, McClain chimed in with statistical info that suggests Reeves hasn't totally sucked. Not sure if having McClain and DB stats on your side really helps here or not, but here you go:



http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6132948.html

Once I saw that article I actually threw up a little at the fact that I sort of agree with McClain. Reeves hasn't been great, good, or even decent. He still has been better than our other corners this season.

I don't think teams really target one of our targets more than the other...I think they just target our secondary. Keep Mario off your QB, and good things happen.

[cadams]

Originally Posted by barrett

If you're so concerned about everyone getting in the game then go watch youth soccer. I prefer watching the best guy get the spot.

This is a stupid comment. We are playing for next year at this point. I don't want them to give up on the season, but this season is lost, and I want them doing the things now that will give them the best chance of being a better team next year. I have been shelling out my money every year for season tickets and I am ready to have a return on my investment. At some point you have to do what is best for the future. It is just like in college, if your season is lost, then you start playing younger players ahead of seniors who are leaving. There is the chance that you lose a game because of it, but that isn't guarenteed, and the real game experience the guys get is invaluable for their progression.

Oh, and by the way, Bennett has been benched, and a 80% Dunta is better than a 100% Reeves any day of the week.