Upset with Dunta being upset

[WMH]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

I don't get what you're reacting to.

I am OVERREACTING to quotes that I read about someone being pissed about about getting $10MM for one year's worth of work.
This is why I could never be a GM.
I would tell him to kick rocks after making comments like that to the press.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by WMH

I would tell him to kick rocks after making comments like that to the press.

The comments that he's blessed to be making 10 million a year, but he doesn't like being lied too? Your right, you could never be a GM

[jaimeg]

According to the chronicle: An offer to make him one of the highest paid corners in football?

Rick Smith:
And so when they elected to exercise their right in declining our offer to make him one of the highest-paid corners in football, we exercised out option to tag him. It's part of the deal."

If this is true, then it seems like Robinson wants to be elsewhere.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by jaimeg

According to the chronicle: An offer to make him one of the highest paid corners in football?

Rick Smith:
And so when they elected to exercise their right in declining our offer to make him one of the highest-paid corners in football, we exercised out option to tag him. It's part of the deal."

If this is true, then it seems like Robinson wants to be elsewhere.

Everythings relative. One of the highest paid could be top 20 in the NFL...It doesn't have to mean Clements/Asomugha money. There's plenty of grey area there. Until we know what the offer was there's no way to know.

[superbowlbound]

I'm way less upset with dunta than I am with Rick. How hard is it to say, "We REALLY don't want to franchise you, we want you here forever, but if we can't get a deal done before the deadline, we've got to do what we've got to do. We can't have a player like you walk away while getting squaddush in return." done. while perhaps miffed that he didn't get his deal yet, at least both sides knew what the end game was. bad form, rick. bad form. Right move, but bad form.

[nunusguy]

INDIANAPOLIS — Texans general manager Rick Smith said today he did tell Dunta Robinson and agent Jason Chayut that he wouldn't designate the cornerback as the team's franchise player but changed his mind when they were unable to agree to a new contract.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6273258.html

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by WMH

I am OVERREACTING to quotes that I read about someone being pissed about about getting $10MM for one year's worth of work.
This is why I could never be a GM.
I would tell him to kick rocks after making comments like that to the press.

I'll send you a check for $50 if you can show me a Dunta quote from yesterday or today where he expressing anger about "getting $10 million" for the '09 season. Come on.. let's see a quote and a source!

Perhaps instead of complaining so much about the character of others, you could have enough integrity to not blatantly misrepresent someone else's words- and then criticize them for your misrepresentation.

[jppaul]

With an uncapped year looming for 2010, everyone will be playing under an entirely different set of rules.

One rule creates a situation that makes it appear as if this year's franchised players have taken two steps forward and one back.
Franchise-tag recap
An NFL-record 14 players were franchise tagged this year. Adam Schefter breaks down the complete list, which includes Panthers defensive end Julius Peppers. More ...

» Panthers tag Peppers, re-sign Gross
» Schefter: Boldin's change of heart?

This offseason, franchise tags were handed out to unrestricted free agents Darren Sproles, Brandon Jacobs, Matt Cassel, Dunta Robinson, O.J. Atogwe, Leroy Hill, and Michael Koenen.

Each of these players completed their fourth year last season. But the collective bargaining agreement that eliminates the salary cap in 2010, also says that players do not get to become unrestricted free agents until their sixth season.

Thus, seven unrestricted free agents that were designated franchise players this offseason will revert back to be restricted free agents next offseason.

Now it's not entirely bad. The collective bargaining agreement says these franchised players will be entitled to a 10 percent raise in 2010. But they will not be allowed to become unrestricted free agents.

How odd, going from an unrestricted free agent to a restricted one. It is one of the many new rules to a different game the NFL will be playing.

Basically, what all this means is that Dunta could be Franchised this year, and then next year he would be an restricted free agent who could be tendered the top tender (which is significantly less than the franchise tag) like 2 million or something, then could franchised again at the standard average of top 5 corners, then he could be franchised again at a 20% pay increase, basically he wouldn't be eligible for free agency and a big contract until 2012 or four years away.

2009: Franchise (Avg. 5 highest)
2010: RFA (Highest tender)
2011: Franchise (Avg. 5 highest)
2012: Franchise (Avg. 5 highest + 20%).

Dunta is 26 right now, 27 before the season starts and could be 31 before he ever sniffs free agency, i.e. gets his big contract.

[jaimeg]

Originally Posted by jppaul

With an uncapped year looming for 2010, everyone will be playing under an entirely different set of rules.

One rule creates a situation that makes it appear as if this year's franchised players have taken two steps forward and one back.
Franchise-tag recap
An NFL-record 14 players were franchise tagged this year. Adam Schefter breaks down the complete list, which includes Panthers defensive end Julius Peppers. More ...

» Panthers tag Peppers, re-sign Gross
» Schefter: Boldin's change of heart?

This offseason, franchise tags were handed out to unrestricted free agents Darren Sproles, Brandon Jacobs, Matt Cassel, Dunta Robinson, O.J. Atogwe, Leroy Hill, and Michael Koenen.

Each of these players completed their fourth year last season. But the collective bargaining agreement that eliminates the salary cap in 2010, also says that players do not get to become unrestricted free agents until their sixth season.

Thus, seven unrestricted free agents that were designated franchise players this offseason will revert back to be restricted free agents next offseason.

Now it's not entirely bad. The collective bargaining agreement says these franchised players will be entitled to a 10 percent raise in 2010. But they will not be allowed to become unrestricted free agents.

How odd, going from an unrestricted free agent to a restricted one. It is one of the many new rules to a different game the NFL will be playing.

Basically, what all this means is that Dunta could be Franchised this year, and then next year he would be an restricted free agent who could be tendered the top tender (which is significantly less than the franchise tag) like 2 million or something, then could franchised again at the standard average of top 5 corners, then he could be franchised again at a 20% pay increase, basically he wouldn't be eligible for free agency and a big contract until 2012 or four years away.

2009: Franchise (Avg. 5 highest)
2010: RFA (Highest tender)
2011: Franchise (Avg. 5 highest)
2012: Franchise (Avg. 5 highest + 20%).

Dunta is 26 right now, 27 before the season starts and could be 31 before he ever sniffs free agency, i.e. gets his big contract.

JPaul, This is excellent info, thanks. Explains the underlying reason Dunta is pretty upset. I have changed my stance, yes RS should have been more upfront with what he had to do, for the best interest of the team.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by jppaul

One rule creates a situation that makes it appear as if this year's franchised players have taken two steps forward and one back.
Franchise-tag recap
An NFL-record 14 players were franchise tagged this year. Adam Schefter breaks down the complete list, which includes Panthers defensive end Julius Peppers. More ...

jppaul - please provide a link next time.

I think this is the source:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=090...s&confirm=true

[nunusguy]

I dunno why Smith took it off of the table in the first place ? Sounds very amateurish to me ? I mean say you don't want to use that card, don't intend to use but don't say you won't use it then paint yourself in a corner and end using it and therefor compromising your credibility and worse your integrity.
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"Let me be clear - this wasn’t one of McClain’s recent blog entries where he speculated on what the Texans would offer Dunta. He actually said that he knew Dunta turned down $23 million in guaranteed money."
"If Dunta left $23 million on the table, then there are only three possible explanations I can come up with, and none of them are good:
1 - Dunta wanted out of Houston.
2 - Dunta wanted to test the market.
3 - Dunta is not nearly as smart as I thought he was."
http://www.houstondiehards.com/
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I always thought there was a possibility that D-Rob wanted to leave H-Town. Not because he disliked the city or because he didn't like his teammates or coachs, but perhaps he'd already had an informal agreement with another team that was a real playoff-contender and not a want-a-be contender ? We all know
how bad he wants to get into the playoffs and compete for a ring.

[Warren]

The headline and first paragraph of that Chronicle article are misleading at best. In the quote Smith never says that he would not tag Dunta, but rather that he didn't want to. That's a big difference.

Only Smith and Robinson and his agent know what was actually said during negotiations, but the Chronicle doesn't seem to be accurately characterizing what he's saying now. If he didn't want to do it but ultimately decided he had to
he didn't change his mind.

[Nconroe]

turning down 23mil is not to bright Drob, maybe you aren't being honest with us either for some reason?

[jppaul]

Originally Posted by Keith

jppaul - please provide a link next time.

I think this is the source:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=090...s&confirm=true

It is indeed, my bad.