Upset with Dunta being upset

[WMH]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

I don't think he was asking for anyone's sympathy. I was asked a question and answered it honestly. He said that he knows he's blessed to be making that kind of money but he's upset because he believes he was lied to by Rick Smith. What's wrong with that?

Uh, he's not 10? IMO, him getting pissy is absolutely ridiculous. "He lied to me" Get a freaking clue Dunta. This was the only move that the Texans could have made that was sensible. If he really thought they would let him walk with no compensation, then he is an idiot. I can understand him worried about not getting his golden parachute, especially with a rebuilt knee, but come on.

[Mike]

I wonder if Dunta is lashing out becuase he did not get the extension done. I think we/he should let the dust settle and have his agent and Rick Smith get back to trying to get the long term deal done.

I am not going to get to excited about it right now.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by WMH

Uh, he's not 10? IMO, him getting pissy is absolutely ridiculous. "He lied to me" Get a freaking clue Dunta. This was the only move that the Texans could have made that was sensible. If he really thought they would let him walk with no compensation, then he is an idiot. I can understand him worried about not getting his golden parachute, especially with a rebuilt knee, but come on.

Please, nobody likes being lied to, even when we expect it(like from Lawyers or insurance companies ). In todays market Dunta knows that other CB's of his approximate skill level are getting 20+ million gauranteed. He said he's was blessed for 10 Mill this year, but if something happens to him then he's losing out that other potential 10+ MILL. Not to mention the fact. If he doesn't get F-Tagged then he knows he's getting that 23 mill this year from someone, if not the Texans. He might end up getting even more next year, but he knows first hand how quickly an NFL career could end. He felt like he was told that he was going to have the chance to collect now vs. later. There's no doubt in my mind that 99.9% of the people out there would be upset....especially since some freak injury could take away your chances of ever collecting the rest.

NFL players can get cut at any given time, but can't leave for greener pastures if they want to. The only thing they have is the guaranteed money in the contract. Now when a player signs a long term deal and then wants out of it a year later I think they should just shut up, but in this case I understand.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by WMH

Uh, he's not 10? IMO, him getting pissy is absolutely ridiculous. "He lied to me" Get a freaking clue Dunta. This was the only move that the Texans could have made that was sensible. If he really thought they would let him walk with no compensation, then he is an idiot. I can understand him worried about not getting his golden parachute, especially with a rebuilt knee, but come on.

Did I miss something? like a press conference and a crying fit... Some reporters contacted him about the deal and he answered in honestly. I'm not sure what the big deal is.

I'm sure he understands why the Texans did it. He's just disappointed with it, especially since he was told (Rick Smith confirmed he told him) they wouldn't do it.

I don't get what you're reacting to.

[WMH]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

I don't get what you're reacting to.

I am OVERREACTING to quotes that I read about someone being pissed about about getting $10MM for one year's worth of work.
This is why I could never be a GM.
I would tell him to kick rocks after making comments like that to the press.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by WMH

I would tell him to kick rocks after making comments like that to the press.

The comments that he's blessed to be making 10 million a year, but he doesn't like being lied too? Your right, you could never be a GM

[jaimeg]

According to the chronicle: An offer to make him one of the highest paid corners in football?

Rick Smith:
And so when they elected to exercise their right in declining our offer to make him one of the highest-paid corners in football, we exercised out option to tag him. It's part of the deal."

If this is true, then it seems like Robinson wants to be elsewhere.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by jaimeg

According to the chronicle: An offer to make him one of the highest paid corners in football?

Rick Smith:
And so when they elected to exercise their right in declining our offer to make him one of the highest-paid corners in football, we exercised out option to tag him. It's part of the deal."

If this is true, then it seems like Robinson wants to be elsewhere.

Everythings relative. One of the highest paid could be top 20 in the NFL...It doesn't have to mean Clements/Asomugha money. There's plenty of grey area there. Until we know what the offer was there's no way to know.

[superbowlbound]

I'm way less upset with dunta than I am with Rick. How hard is it to say, "We REALLY don't want to franchise you, we want you here forever, but if we can't get a deal done before the deadline, we've got to do what we've got to do. We can't have a player like you walk away while getting squaddush in return." done. while perhaps miffed that he didn't get his deal yet, at least both sides knew what the end game was. bad form, rick. bad form. Right move, but bad form.

[nunusguy]

INDIANAPOLIS — Texans general manager Rick Smith said today he did tell Dunta Robinson and agent Jason Chayut that he wouldn't designate the cornerback as the team's franchise player but changed his mind when they were unable to agree to a new contract.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6273258.html

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by WMH

I am OVERREACTING to quotes that I read about someone being pissed about about getting $10MM for one year's worth of work.
This is why I could never be a GM.
I would tell him to kick rocks after making comments like that to the press.

I'll send you a check for $50 if you can show me a Dunta quote from yesterday or today where he expressing anger about "getting $10 million" for the '09 season. Come on.. let's see a quote and a source!

Perhaps instead of complaining so much about the character of others, you could have enough integrity to not blatantly misrepresent someone else's words- and then criticize them for your misrepresentation.

[jppaul]

With an uncapped year looming for 2010, everyone will be playing under an entirely different set of rules.

One rule creates a situation that makes it appear as if this year's franchised players have taken two steps forward and one back.
Franchise-tag recap
An NFL-record 14 players were franchise tagged this year. Adam Schefter breaks down the complete list, which includes Panthers defensive end Julius Peppers. More ...

» Panthers tag Peppers, re-sign Gross
» Schefter: Boldin's change of heart?

This offseason, franchise tags were handed out to unrestricted free agents Darren Sproles, Brandon Jacobs, Matt Cassel, Dunta Robinson, O.J. Atogwe, Leroy Hill, and Michael Koenen.

Each of these players completed their fourth year last season. But the collective bargaining agreement that eliminates the salary cap in 2010, also says that players do not get to become unrestricted free agents until their sixth season.

Thus, seven unrestricted free agents that were designated franchise players this offseason will revert back to be restricted free agents next offseason.

Now it's not entirely bad. The collective bargaining agreement says these franchised players will be entitled to a 10 percent raise in 2010. But they will not be allowed to become unrestricted free agents.

How odd, going from an unrestricted free agent to a restricted one. It is one of the many new rules to a different game the NFL will be playing.

Basically, what all this means is that Dunta could be Franchised this year, and then next year he would be an restricted free agent who could be tendered the top tender (which is significantly less than the franchise tag) like 2 million or something, then could franchised again at the standard average of top 5 corners, then he could be franchised again at a 20% pay increase, basically he wouldn't be eligible for free agency and a big contract until 2012 or four years away.

2009: Franchise (Avg. 5 highest)
2010: RFA (Highest tender)
2011: Franchise (Avg. 5 highest)
2012: Franchise (Avg. 5 highest + 20%).

Dunta is 26 right now, 27 before the season starts and could be 31 before he ever sniffs free agency, i.e. gets his big contract.

[jaimeg]

Originally Posted by jppaul

With an uncapped year looming for 2010, everyone will be playing under an entirely different set of rules.

One rule creates a situation that makes it appear as if this year's franchised players have taken two steps forward and one back.
Franchise-tag recap
An NFL-record 14 players were franchise tagged this year. Adam Schefter breaks down the complete list, which includes Panthers defensive end Julius Peppers. More ...

» Panthers tag Peppers, re-sign Gross
» Schefter: Boldin's change of heart?

This offseason, franchise tags were handed out to unrestricted free agents Darren Sproles, Brandon Jacobs, Matt Cassel, Dunta Robinson, O.J. Atogwe, Leroy Hill, and Michael Koenen.

Each of these players completed their fourth year last season. But the collective bargaining agreement that eliminates the salary cap in 2010, also says that players do not get to become unrestricted free agents until their sixth season.

Thus, seven unrestricted free agents that were designated franchise players this offseason will revert back to be restricted free agents next offseason.

Now it's not entirely bad. The collective bargaining agreement says these franchised players will be entitled to a 10 percent raise in 2010. But they will not be allowed to become unrestricted free agents.

How odd, going from an unrestricted free agent to a restricted one. It is one of the many new rules to a different game the NFL will be playing.

Basically, what all this means is that Dunta could be Franchised this year, and then next year he would be an restricted free agent who could be tendered the top tender (which is significantly less than the franchise tag) like 2 million or something, then could franchised again at the standard average of top 5 corners, then he could be franchised again at a 20% pay increase, basically he wouldn't be eligible for free agency and a big contract until 2012 or four years away.

2009: Franchise (Avg. 5 highest)
2010: RFA (Highest tender)
2011: Franchise (Avg. 5 highest)
2012: Franchise (Avg. 5 highest + 20%).

Dunta is 26 right now, 27 before the season starts and could be 31 before he ever sniffs free agency, i.e. gets his big contract.

JPaul, This is excellent info, thanks. Explains the underlying reason Dunta is pretty upset. I have changed my stance, yes RS should have been more upfront with what he had to do, for the best interest of the team.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by jppaul

One rule creates a situation that makes it appear as if this year's franchised players have taken two steps forward and one back.
Franchise-tag recap
An NFL-record 14 players were franchise tagged this year. Adam Schefter breaks down the complete list, which includes Panthers defensive end Julius Peppers. More ...

jppaul - please provide a link next time.

I think this is the source:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=090...s&confirm=true

[nunusguy]

I dunno why Smith took it off of the table in the first place ? Sounds very amateurish to me ? I mean say you don't want to use that card, don't intend to use but don't say you won't use it then paint yourself in a corner and end using it and therefor compromising your credibility and worse your integrity.
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"Let me be clear - this wasn’t one of McClain’s recent blog entries where he speculated on what the Texans would offer Dunta. He actually said that he knew Dunta turned down $23 million in guaranteed money."
"If Dunta left $23 million on the table, then there are only three possible explanations I can come up with, and none of them are good:
1 - Dunta wanted out of Houston.
2 - Dunta wanted to test the market.
3 - Dunta is not nearly as smart as I thought he was."
http://www.houstondiehards.com/
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I always thought there was a possibility that D-Rob wanted to leave H-Town. Not because he disliked the city or because he didn't like his teammates or coachs, but perhaps he'd already had an informal agreement with another team that was a real playoff-contender and not a want-a-be contender ? We all know
how bad he wants to get into the playoffs and compete for a ring.

[jppaul]

Originally Posted by Keith

jppaul - please provide a link next time.

I think this is the source:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=090...s&confirm=true

It is indeed, my bad.