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Old 11-18-2008, 11:11 AM
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If we want an NFL quality DC with NFL experience, we're going to have to find one from a current staff or one that is available now. There's only 2 that I can think of that are available now that coach a 4-3. That's Jim Bates and Mike Nolan. The other top candidates are HC's that come from teams likely to fire the HC this year - Cowpies/Phillips, Bengals/Lewis, Browns/Crennel - but those are 3-4 guys. The other candidates are DC's on other teams that could possibly (some likely) fire the HC - Raiders, Vikings, Chiefs, Chargers, Jags(?), 49ers (?), Bills (?). Other than Singletary or Williams (Jags), I doubt I'd want anyone from those teams.

I'd pounce on Jauron if the Bills made a move, but that's unlikely this year. If we wanted to stick with the 4-3, I'd go Nolan, Williams (if he's available), then Bates. 3-4 my list would be Lewis, Phillips, with Crennel coming in a long distance 3rd. Another potential option is if Philly gets sick of Reid and Jimmy Johnson becomes available. I'd hire him in a heartbeat as well.
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Old 11-18-2008, 12:45 PM
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For whatever reason, McNair is not getting comensurate return for the money he has invested in either coaches or players.
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Old 11-18-2008, 01:10 PM
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I'd pounce on Jauron if the Bills made a move, but that's unlikely this year. If we wanted to stick with the 4-3, I'd go Nolan, Williams (if he's available), then Bates. 3-4 my list would be Lewis, Phillips, with Crennel coming in a long distance 3rd. Another potential option is if Philly gets sick of Reid and Jimmy Johnson becomes available. I'd hire him in a heartbeat as well.
I'd keep Jerry Gray on your radar as well for possible DCs. He interviewed here against Kubiak for the HC job. He took the secondary job with the Redskins after he missed out. I'd also have Gray on a REAL short list of possible HCs to replace Kubiak, either as interim (if Kubiak were to be fired mid-season, which is very doubtful) or full-time in 2010.

Nolan's interesting to me, too. He coached d-line at Rice for a year, didn't know that. He also has the Broncos on his resume (LBs '87-'92), also interesting. Nolan is a big Dan Reeves guy, a big plus if McNair asks for his input again.
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Old 11-19-2008, 12:49 AM
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I'd keep Jerry Gray on your radar as well for possible DCs. He interviewed here against Kubiak for the HC job. He took the secondary job with the Redskins after he missed out. I'd also have Gray on a REAL short list of possible HCs to replace Kubiak, either as interim (if Kubiak were to be fired mid-season, which is very doubtful) or full-time in 2010.

Nolan's interesting to me, too. He coached d-line at Rice for a year, didn't know that. He also has the Broncos on his resume (LBs '87-'92), also interesting. Nolan is a big Dan Reeves guy, a big plus if McNair asks for his input again.
I had forgotten about Gray, I like him a lot. He is a Gregg Williams protege, having coached with him for years. The question about Gray will be can he succeed with out Gregg Williams? BTW Gray comes from a 4-3 background.

Mike Nolan was running a 4-3 in San Fran. I like his aggressive play calling on the defense.

I have seen some ask why would a top coach commit to a lame duck HC team. Because they see it as a win win for themselves. If the team succeeds they can get their names back on the HC short list, or if the team continues to flounder they maybe considered the next HC.

Guys like Nolan, Marvin Lewis, Romeo Crennel, Rod Marinelli, Wade Phillips fit the above criteria.

Personally I think the players are 70% of the problem and that coaching is 30% of the problem. Coaches do not miss tackles or not locate the ball in the air. We do not have defensive playmakers on this team.
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Old 11-19-2008, 07:19 AM
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We do not have defensive playmakers on this team.
hard for demeco to make a play when manning throws at reeves all day.

i don't think the switch to 3/4 would be all that bad. jeez, i mean it can't get much worse. what exactly would we be back tracking from?
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Old 11-19-2008, 12:42 PM
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PK-"Personally I think the players are 70% of the problem and that coaching is 30% of the problem. Coaches do not miss tackles or not locate the ball in the air. We do not have defensive playmakers on this team."

How about the percentage that could be considered bad game planning, game management, etc.? Who's fault is that?
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Old 11-19-2008, 02:01 PM
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PK-"Personally I think the players are 70% of the problem and that coaching is 30% of the problem. Coaches do not miss tackles or not locate the ball in the air. We do not have defensive playmakers on this team."

How about the percentage that could be considered bad game planning, game management, etc.? Who's fault is that?
30% of the trouble with the defense is coaching, IMO.

We are not in the meetings with the players, so we do not see Kubiak and Co. get on the players for the same mistakes over and over again. But I did see Kubiak say What the F**K was that on Sunday. So I know he chews the players and coaches out. He has the passion and he has the back of the players and coaches in public.

I know you all want a break down and he getting mad, but that is not going to happen until he looses this team, and then it's over.

Changing coaches mid year is a stupid move, it only leads to more second guessing.
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Old 11-19-2008, 07:22 PM
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Changing coaches mid year is a stupid move, it only leads to more second guessing.
Yup, in most cases. I might be persuaded to do it and put Bush at the controls to see if it makes a difference at this point.
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Old 11-20-2008, 02:24 PM
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When there is a problem, at least 70% or better is going to be the players fault, because they play the games. BUT if the coaching staff gives them a B.S. gameplan, then that is the time when 30% is greater than 70%, at least in my mind. Trains won't run well without good tracks.
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Old 11-21-2008, 02:28 PM
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Well, Hoke must really suck because now Richard Justice is endorsing him as the new DC in his blog.
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Maybe a new and improved defensive coordinator is already on the staff. Maybe all he needs is a chance. I'd be stunned if Jon Hoke couldn't do a great job.

He's in charge of the defensive backs. He has stayed despite several job offers through the years. He worked for Steve Spurrier, who is as good as anyone at dealing with players. He's close with Bob Stoops, too, and has some of his fire.
http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice...rown_buil.html

About three years ago, I would have agreed with Justice. Maybe Hoke is not much of a Kubiak guy? Dunno.
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Old 11-23-2008, 03:08 PM
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Richard Justice don't know squat!
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