Day 1 thoughts

[Roy P]

It sure is nice to have picks. KC got Dorsey, Albert, and Flowers and are looking pretty good.

The Titans selected Chris Johnson to improve the return game. Jacoby Jones is starting to look like a value. I can't believe that the Titans had a better record than us last year. Jason Jones in the 2nd round? Vince Young should start Blogging for Andre Caldwell in the 3rd.

The Jags traded up to get Harvey. It's all about supply and demand. They HAD to get up that high to select Harvey. Cinci and NE were chomping at the bit at #9 and #10. They also got another pass-rusher in Q. Groves. They might not be as dumb as they are being portrayed.

The Falcons are idiots. Ryan and Sam Baker? They could have had Dorsey, Mike Jenkins, and Henne. Why take Lofton over Connor? Detroit isn't too far behind. Gosder Cherilus over Rashard Mendenhall? Are you freaking kidding me? Jordan Dizon over Ray Rice? Maybe they think Barry Sanders is coming out of retirement.

Buffalo gets what they need in McKelvin and Hardy! Chicago follows with Chris Williams and Matt Forte (they'll probably get Josh Johnson or Booty).

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by Roy P

I can't believe that the Titans had a better record than us last year.

we had one of the statistically worst defenses in the league and the Titans had one of the best...don't let the partisan spewage eat your brain.

[painekiller]

I think we had a plan, draft LT, then CB, then RB.

Our pick came up at #18, and it was to early for any of the OTs that where left that fit Gibbs style. Mendenhall and Felix Jones would have made this team better, much better, they are much more complete backs than the one dimensional Slaton.

Trade down.

Not a bad deal, third round is loaded.

Now here come the new the pick #26. I have not seen anyone call Brown a 1st rounder. Mid to late 2nd rounder at best. Why? He has great feet, quickness, and is strong, but he is still learning the position. He needs work on his hands. He is consider a longer to the field guy, hence his drop in the ratings.

I think this is a reach.

[281]

honestly, the brown pick is a reach... but i gotta trust alex gibbs in what he's doing. i don't wanna sound like mcclain, but it's far too early to roast the pick at this point. his athleticism is excellent, and strength can always be worked on... coaching is going to make or break this pick, and the cards are in our favor.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by 281

honestly, the brown pick is a reach... but i gotta trust alex gibbs in what he's doing. i don't wanna sound like mcclain, but it's far too early to roast the pick at this point. his athleticism is excellent, and strength can always be worked on... coaching is going to make or break this pick, and the cards are in our favor.

Maybe i should be clearer. After the Shrine game, I had said we should look hard at Brown, Zuttah and Sosa as mid round picks with upside.

I like Brown. He will be solid, in time. First round is for guys that will have an impact, sooner.

Now I defer to Coach Gibbs. He is the Doctor. And if he thinks he can get Brown to the field now, then he can.

I would have liked another trade down, or two if they where stuck on OT.

But then again, I scream for trade down every year.

[nero THE zero]

Originally Posted by 281

honestly, the brown pick is a reach... but i gotta trust alex gibbs in what he's doing. i don't wanna sound like mcclain, but it's far too early to roast the pick at this point. his athleticism is excellent, and strength can always be worked on... coaching is going to make or break this pick, and the cards are in our favor.

That's pretty much where I sit on the issue. What really gets me is how Smith spoke on not reaching for players, on not targeting certain players or positions and, thus, reaching for them. Then that is exactly what they did. They took a player in a spot when he presumably would have been there later. They did exactly what they said good teams don't do, they reached.

With that being said - unless the staff is involved in some elaborate PR ploy to spin a bungled pick - they seem to be extremely excited about the pick. Alex Gibbs is the best OL coach in the game and he specifically targeted this guy. While Brown might have been one of the most uninspiring picks in franchise history, you won't find me second guessing a coach with the pedigree that Gibbs has.

I'd much have preferred Cason at 26 but if Gibbs liked Brown enough to take him at 26, then that's enough for me to sit back and watch without doubting the FO in the least. Plus, I'm really excited about Molden so that did a lot to disfuse any concern I had about missing on DRC and McKelvin in the first and then Godrey in the third.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

After the Shrine game, I had said we should look hard at Brown, Zuttah and Sosa as mid round picks with upside.

This is something that I don't understand. Zuttah appears to have the same "athleticism" that Brown has, not to mention he has more upper body strength. Zuttah went at #83, so theoretically, we could have drafted Cason at #26 then gotten a project for Gibbs with Zuttah at #79.

Just something to consider as we watch these four players the next few seasons.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

This is something that I don't understand. Zuttah appears to have the same "athleticism" that Brown has, not to mention he has more upper body strength. Zuttah went at #83, so theoretically, we could have drafted Cason at #26 then gotten a project for Gibbs with Zuttah at #79.

Just something to consider as we watch these four players the next few seasons.

For some reason the "experts" are saying that Zuttah is a interior lineman, and most of those same "experts" are calling Brown the same thing.

I will be watching the progress of Zuttah and Sosa because I have been following them most of the season. I will also watch Williams to see if the myths of short arms and such is true.

I am curious to see how our OL falls. Who will be the guards, will Spencer make any noise, who backs up which position?

[popanot]

Originally Posted by Roy P

This is something that I don't understand. Zuttah appears to have the same "athleticism" that Brown has, not to mention he has more upper body strength. Zuttah went at #83, so theoretically, we could have drafted Cason at #26 then gotten a project for Gibbs with Zuttah at #79..

Could it have been the Texans liked Brown better than Zuttah and Mouldon better than Cason? I know you liked Cason, RP, but he seems rather smallish to me and they may have wanted someone taller to match up with the taller WRs in the division. Mouldon also seems to be a potential candidate for FS, although, I doubt that's their plan. I'm not questioning your judgement, just saying the Texans may have seen it completely different.

[jaimeg]

Originally Posted by popanot

Could it have been the Texans liked Brown better than Zuttah and Mouldon better than Cason? I know you liked Cason, RP, but he seems rather smallish to me and they may have wanted someone taller to match up with the taller WRs in the division. Mouldon also seems to be a potential candidate for FS, although, I doubt that's their plan. I'm not questioning your judgement, just saying the Texans may have seen it completely different.

Just watched the first half of the Virginia, Virginia Tech game and Brown did well against Long. Long had one tackle and zero pressures. I kind of hesitate to say this but it was almost dominant. Enough to impress me with the first half alone that I was happy with the pick. Not impressed with the linebacker though (Abidi).

Watched the first half of the West Virginia, Cincinnati game and Slaton reminds me of Reggie Bush. That is the Saints version of Bush; however they did comment that teams are gameplanning for Slaton as a reason his stats being down.

Moulden is tall, a burner, fluid with a burst seems like an excellent pick.

After Mario, I have learned to keep quite for a couple of years before I make a judgement.

[jaimeg]

By the way, it is great to have this website back, thanks Keith.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by popanot

Could it have been the Texans liked Brown better than Zuttah and Mouldon better than Cason? I know you liked Cason, RP, but he seems rather smallish to me and they may have wanted someone taller to match up with the taller WRs in the division. Mouldon also seems to be a potential candidate for FS, although, I doubt that's their plan. I'm not questioning your judgement, just saying the Texans may have seen it completely different.

To be completely honest here, the Texans most likely panicked. I'll give them credit for at least trading down and garnering extra picks. However, when Sam Baker gets picked in the 1st round (after a trade up by the Falcons) and not knowing if Zuttah would be available at #79, they reached. The need to find somebody to fill the hole at LT was too much to ignore. Most of us have been lobbying for a LT to be drafted in the 1st round for at least 4 years now. Since they (and most of the other teams) didn't like Carl Nicks as much as I do, there was a pretty big drop off if Zuttah wasn't available. So, I can understand it.

-----Name---------School-------Height-----Weight --- 40 --- 10 -- Shuttle--Cone - Jump - Vert - Bench -- 20
OT Jeremy Zuttah - Rutgers 6' 4" --- 303 --- 4.99 --- 1.73 --- 4.54 --- 7.59 --- 8' 11" --- 26.5 --- 35 --- 2.87
OT Duane Brown - Va Tech 6' 4" --- 315 --- 5.08 --- 1.76 --- 4.52 --- 7.54 --- 9' 0" --- 32.5 --- 24 --- 2.96

As for Cason vs. Moulds:
Name School Height Weight 40 10 Shuttle Cone Jump Vert Bench 20
Antoine Cason - Arizona 6' 0" --- 190 ---4.45 ---1.51 --- 4.08 --- 7.07 --- 10' 8" --- 36 --- 20 --- 2.53
Antwaun Molden - EKU 6' 0 3/4" - 198 --- 4.44 --- 1.5 --- 4.14 --- 6.85 --- 10' 9" --- 37.5 --- 23 --- 2.55

I wouldn't say that 3/4" and 8lbs makes Molden a better prospect to play against "taller WRs" in the NFL. As far as measurables go, they are pretty much the same body-type. I will say that I was happy we selected Molden since we had bypassed Cason. This is another position that I wanted addressed for quite a while. Molden is similar to Fred Bennett and hopefully will take to coaching the way Bennett did.

[texan]

Roy, I know you love them, but there is more to football then numbers at the combine. What happens on the field is much more important. The bottom line is, Gibbs loved Brown, and that is more than good enough for me. Every year you complain that we didn't take "your guys," but the last two years have been pretty damn solid drafts. Kubiak and Smith deserve the benefit of the doubt.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by texan

Roy, I know you love them, but there is more to football then numbers at the combine. What happens on the field is much more important. The bottom line is, Gibbs loved Brown, and that is more than good enough for me. Every year you complain that we didn't take "your guys," but the last two years have been pretty damn solid drafts. Kubiak and Smith deserve the benefit of the doubt.

I realize there are more than numbers at the Combine that makes a player. That's why I had Cason ahead of other CBs like Cromartie and McKelvin.

I also had Zuttah slightly higher than Brown.

Anyway, I'm not "complaining" so much as stating what I would have done. Duane Brown and Antwaun Molden are "My Guys" and I completely get it. Gibbs supposedly likes Brown a lot more than I do. I was guessing that either he or Zuttah would be available @ #79 and that is when I would have taken one or the other. Then I'd have hoped that Gibbs could work his magic. I also had Molden on my board as a possible 3rd round pick in the event we drafted some other position in the 1st. Basically, I'm saying that we drafted 2 3rd round picks (one just was taken at #26). If Brown plays like a 1st round LT, I'll be happy.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by Roy P

To be completely honest here, the Texans most likely panicked.

That could be true, but without knowing how the staff really feels about him there's no way to know. It is possible that they had him with a first round grade and as someone who they felt could provide an immediate impact. If that's the case they did a great job picking up the extra picks and still getting him. It remains to be seen if it was the right pick. I'm sure that's the story the Texans will give, and I think as a fan that is what you hoped happened.

I guess my point is if the Texans liked this guy and couldn't make a trade (up or down) then it's no big deal if they "reached" according to some people at 26.

[Vinny]

I don't think they were in a panic....if they took him at 18 I think you could make that case with more ease. They calmly slid back a few slots and took the guy they wanted after making sure they picked up another quality draft pick. They didn't get too cute and drop so far back that a team like Atlanta who took a bigger reach in Baker, didn't snag their guy.

[cadams]

Originally Posted by papabear

That could be true, but without knowing how the staff really feels about him there's no way to know. It is possible that they had him with a first round grade and as someone who they felt could provide an immediate impact. If that's the case they did a great job picking up the extra picks and still getting him. It remains to be seen if it was the right pick. I'm sure that's the story the Texans will give, and I think as a fan that is what you hoped happened.

I guess my point is if the Texans liked this guy and couldn't make a trade (up or down) then it's no big deal if they "reached" according to some people at 26.

i agree, a "reach" is a relative term. everything i heard said that brown would have most likely been the next LT taken. if he is the last guy on the board who you though could do what you needed, he was the guy you wanted, and you thought he might not be there if you dropped back again then you take him.

i am certain that if the demaco would have been taken at #9 instead of 33, there would have been a lot of people who would have laeled it a reach. well, i am guessing there are a numebr of teams who would love to have had him for the 8-12 pick in that draft.

[nunusguy]

There's no doubt that the economic parameters of supply and demand were at work in the way things played out for Brown. I mean we are talking about
labor, albeit very capital intensive labor. Were they really that interested in
Brown, or was it a matter of him being the last LT on the Board ? What if Sam
Baker was still on the Board at 26 ? I suspect they might have traded back a second time to accumulate additional picks and get a LT for less. I mean hasn't Gibbs viewed OLineman like the Broncos have running backs ? Its just a commodity.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

Were they really that interested in
Brown, or was it a matter of him being the last LT on the Board ? What if Sam
Baker was still on the Board at 26 ?

I will say that I'm okay with Duane Brown as a player. He fits our system and has the stamp of approval of Gibbs. I would have been completely pissed if we had done like Atlanta and traded up to reach for Sam Baker.

[cadams]

Originally Posted by Roy P

I will say that I'm okay with Duane Brown as a player. He fits our system and has the stamp of approval of Gibbs. I would have been completely pissed if we had done like Atlanta and traded up to reach for Sam Baker.

agreed, i didnt like baker, and really wasnt excited about otah either. i will keep going back to this though, until they have been on the field for a year or two there is no way anyone should be railing the texans. (and i havent really seen anyone here doing that, though i can't say the same for some of the opinions on chron.com). they made the right choice on the mario v. vy/bush pick, so we need to hold judgment and see how it plays out.

. . .i wonder how many of the people crucifying the texans for this pick were doing the same thing 2 years ago . . .