Day 1 thoughts

[papabear]

Originally Posted by Roy P

To be completely honest here, the Texans most likely panicked.

That could be true, but without knowing how the staff really feels about him there's no way to know. It is possible that they had him with a first round grade and as someone who they felt could provide an immediate impact. If that's the case they did a great job picking up the extra picks and still getting him. It remains to be seen if it was the right pick. I'm sure that's the story the Texans will give, and I think as a fan that is what you hoped happened.

I guess my point is if the Texans liked this guy and couldn't make a trade (up or down) then it's no big deal if they "reached" according to some people at 26.

[Vinny]

I don't think they were in a panic....if they took him at 18 I think you could make that case with more ease. They calmly slid back a few slots and took the guy they wanted after making sure they picked up another quality draft pick. They didn't get too cute and drop so far back that a team like Atlanta who took a bigger reach in Baker, didn't snag their guy.

[cadams]

Originally Posted by papabear

That could be true, but without knowing how the staff really feels about him there's no way to know. It is possible that they had him with a first round grade and as someone who they felt could provide an immediate impact. If that's the case they did a great job picking up the extra picks and still getting him. It remains to be seen if it was the right pick. I'm sure that's the story the Texans will give, and I think as a fan that is what you hoped happened.

I guess my point is if the Texans liked this guy and couldn't make a trade (up or down) then it's no big deal if they "reached" according to some people at 26.

i agree, a "reach" is a relative term. everything i heard said that brown would have most likely been the next LT taken. if he is the last guy on the board who you though could do what you needed, he was the guy you wanted, and you thought he might not be there if you dropped back again then you take him.

i am certain that if the demaco would have been taken at #9 instead of 33, there would have been a lot of people who would have laeled it a reach. well, i am guessing there are a numebr of teams who would love to have had him for the 8-12 pick in that draft.

[nunusguy]

There's no doubt that the economic parameters of supply and demand were at work in the way things played out for Brown. I mean we are talking about
labor, albeit very capital intensive labor. Were they really that interested in
Brown, or was it a matter of him being the last LT on the Board ? What if Sam
Baker was still on the Board at 26 ? I suspect they might have traded back a second time to accumulate additional picks and get a LT for less. I mean hasn't Gibbs viewed OLineman like the Broncos have running backs ? Its just a commodity.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

Were they really that interested in
Brown, or was it a matter of him being the last LT on the Board ? What if Sam
Baker was still on the Board at 26 ?

I will say that I'm okay with Duane Brown as a player. He fits our system and has the stamp of approval of Gibbs. I would have been completely pissed if we had done like Atlanta and traded up to reach for Sam Baker.

[cadams]

Originally Posted by Roy P

I will say that I'm okay with Duane Brown as a player. He fits our system and has the stamp of approval of Gibbs. I would have been completely pissed if we had done like Atlanta and traded up to reach for Sam Baker.

agreed, i didnt like baker, and really wasnt excited about otah either. i will keep going back to this though, until they have been on the field for a year or two there is no way anyone should be railing the texans. (and i havent really seen anyone here doing that, though i can't say the same for some of the opinions on chron.com). they made the right choice on the mario v. vy/bush pick, so we need to hold judgment and see how it plays out.

. . .i wonder how many of the people crucifying the texans for this pick were doing the same thing 2 years ago . . .

[NBT]

On our first round pick:
PK - Brown was a reach. Coach Gibbs didn't think so!
RP - Dissapointed.

The "Big Name" OT's were gone at #18. Smith traded down to #26 for an additional #3 (RB- Steve Slaton) & #6 pick (S Dominique Barber).

Most of us wanted a trade down scenario, and I think we got a very good one. It does no good to carp about the results now, lets wait until this season is over and see who contributes, and in what category. I have to say I am extremely pleased with our Draft, and with how well Smith & Kubiak worked together.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by NBT

On our first round pick:
PK - Brown was a reach. Coach Gibbs didn't think so!
RP - Dissapointed.

The "Big Name" OT's were gone at #18. Smith traded down to #26 for an additional #3 (RB- Steve Slaton) & #6 pick (S Dominique Barber).

Most of us wanted a trade down scenario, and I think we got a very good one. It does no good to carp about the results now, lets wait until this season is over and see who contributes, and in what category. I have to say I am extremely pleased with our Draft, and with how well Smith & Kubiak worked together.

I will still say that Brown was a mid 2nd rounder based on his skill level, and as such was a reach. Now the fact that the Chargers where ready to reach for him with the next pick does not change my feeling that he was a mid 2nd to early 3rd round pick.

Just because Miami drafts Ginn top ten does not mean he has top 10 skills.

I am looking forward to late July and the start of training camp. I hope they open the practice to the fans again, because I loved being able to see them in person before the game. That is when Davis started to stand out to a few of us on the old site.

I want to see Mario and Brown going head to head. Then I will know how wrong I was on the guy.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by NBT

On our first round pick:
PK - Brown was a reach. Coach Gibbs didn't think so!
RP - Dissapointed.

I'm mildly dissapointed.

In fact, I'm pleasantly surprised that we were able to get a LT, RB, and CB while trading down. I'm somewhat happy to get Molden in the 3rd round.

Now we just have to wait and see how the team looks on the field.

[NBT]

I just don't buy the "reach", and I adamently reject the "panic" aspect of taking Duane Brown with our first pick. I would like to pat Rick Smith on the back for staying firm in his resolve, then when the crem de la crem of the OLTs were gone at the 18th pick, he did a very savy and nervy thing in trading down eight spots, then had to sweat someone else jumping ahead of us, and then got the next best OLT still left on the board. AND in the process picked up an extra 3rd & 6th rnd pick for doing so. If Brown, Slaton, and Barber all make the team, and indeed do start, Rick Smith will be hailed as a genius. Heck Mr. McNair has already given him a raise and a new contract.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

I mean hasn't Gibbs viewed OLineman like the Broncos have running backs ? Its just a commodity.

it isn't just a "plug in any old tackle" view. It's a plug in a specific skill set guy. If you believe what the coaches stated, Baker didn't have the skill set they wanted since they said, "all" the guys were gone off the board except for Brown.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by Vinny

it isn't just a "plug in any old tackle" view. It's a plug in a specific skill set guy. If you believe what the coaches stated, Baker didn't have the skill set they wanted since they said, "all" the guys were gone off the board except for Brown.

I meant of the LTs that had the "skill set" the Texans were looking for to satisfy the criteria of Gibbs ZB system ? Williams, Albert, Clady, & Brown fit but Otah & Chariblis for example didn't. Bakers a fit, but maybe only at guard ?
And what was the Texans plan for a LT in later rounds had they taken a CB in the first round ? Maybe defer it to a future year like their need at weakside DE ?

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

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And what was the Texans plan for a LT in later rounds had they taken a CB in the first round ? Maybe defer it to a future year like their need at weakside DE ?

I don't think they ever looked at the CB in the 1st. IMO that is why they signed Reeves.

In the old interviews with McNair and Kubiak, they talked how OLT was something they needed since the team was founded and that this draft was the time to grab one.

As was said before, I believe 4 guys projected at LT for the Texans, Clady, Williams, Albert and Brown. Brown was the rawest of the group which can be both good and bad.

I believe that Zuttah and Collins could also have been projects, but we will never know.

I have been very low on Baker, he did not appear to play with fire. Brown will play with fire.

I am curious to see how the OL will shake out, who will be the 8 or 9 guys we keep out of camp.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

I am curious to see how the OL will shake out, who will be the 8 or 9 guys we keep out of camp.

Brown, Pitts, Myers, Frye, Winston
Salaam, Spencer, Eslinger, Briesel, Butler

I know, that's 10.

[Arky]

Originally Posted by painekiller

I am curious to see how the OL will shake out, who will be the 8 or 9 guys we keep out of camp.

Man, not just the OL. There is quantity at many positions, now. I'm counting ~85 players on the roster at present.

Gonna be some tough cuts down the line....