Marciano - Fired!!

[popanot]

Originally Posted by barrett

I don't think it has anything to do with ticket sales or finances. Like I said in the post you quoted, the last 3 games just go down a little easier with Case at QB. I know they do for me. I think that is most of why McNair wants Case in there, as a bridge from bridge 2-11 to the eternal optimism of the offseason. Matt Schaub on the other hand gets burned in efigy in the parking lot and accosted at his home. Those are not the headlines McNair wants.

At least I hope that is why he made the change. Because if he really did it because he thinks Case needs to play, that is far worse. An owner has no business deciding what players start. I understand wanting this season to end in the least frustrating way for fans possible, but I don't get an owner picking the starting lineup.

I doubt headlines has anything to do with McNair's actions or comments. The season is a disaster and nothing Keenum does or firing a coach or two will change that perception. We know it's a disaster, the media knows it, and McNair knows it. McNair, and the franchise's, primary goal is and should be finding out which players will be here next year and having the data that best sets them up for the draft and for future success. This is especially true at a position as important as the starting and/or backup QB. Kubiak totally shat in the face of that initiative with his actions in JAX.

I think it's fairly safe to say the Texans management has decided Schaub is gone and that they've seen all they want to see of Yates. Who else does that leave? McNair was asked the question and answered it by saying he wanted Keenum on the field to assess and hopefully progress his development. To take those words or his actions in firing Kubiak/Marciano and drawing the conclusion it's to appease the fans or that he's scheming or meddlesome is stretching it quite a bit, IMO.

I've posted here many times my disgust at some of the moves (or lack thereof) this franchise makes so I'm not looking at this through rose-colored glasses. I just don't see your point of view on this. I see a man who is pissed, embarrassed, and decide he'd had enough. Maybe it all should have happened weeks or years ago, but it didn't. I agree with some here in that McNair comes across as an honorable man - maybe to a fault - and that he wanted to ride it out and let Kubiak finish out season with the players he helped groom. However, Kubiak forced his hand.

Anyway, next year is a new year and I doubt seeing Keenum play in 3 games or that McNair's recent actions will change the hearts of the media or fans or make them think this season has been any less of a disaster. I doubt McNair thinks that either. I think next year's media/fan outlook will have more to do with who they hire as the next HC and their offseason moves than it will for what happens on the field the remaining games.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by popanot

McNair, and the franchise's, primary goal is and should be finding out which players will be here next year and having the data that best sets them up for the draft and for future success. This is especially true at a position as important as the starting and/or backup QB. Kubiak totally shat in the face of that initiative with his actions in JAX.

I think it's fairly safe to say the Texans management have decided Schaub is gone and that they've seen all they want to see of Yates. Who else does that leave? McNair was asked the question and answered it saying he wanted Keenum on the field to assess and hopefully progress his development. To take those words or his actions in firing Kubiak/Marciano and drawing the conclusion it's to appease the fans or that he's scheming or meddlesome is stretching it quite a bit, IMO.

This was your original quote:



Next year is a new year and I doubt seeing Keenum play in 3 games will make the season ticket holders rush back and renew. I doubt McNair thinks that either. I think it'll have more to do with who they hire as the next HC than what happens on the field or who plays the last 3 games.

I agree completely, and I told you, I don't think it has anything to do with finances. Owning an NFL franchise is like a right to print money. That really can't be messed up. McNair could be terrible and not spend if he was financially motivated. I don't believe he is financially motivated at all. He spends freely on personnel and coaches and everything else. It is probably his best trait as an owner that he is not cheap.

His next best trait is he doesn't meddle. That is why this situation stood out. I don't believe there is anything Keenum could do in the next 3 weeks that would change how we treat QB this offseason. If he goes 3-0 with 4 TDs every week I think we still draft or don't draft the same as if he goes 0-3. If Case plays great the next 3 weeks do you think we don't draft a QB because of it?

I don't think we are evaluating him. I think we are ending this season as painlessly as possible (and it is not a bad thing). McNair cares deeply about having a franchise worthy of respect. It is reflected in the high character guys we acquire. I don't think he likes when his team is in national headlines for fans showing up at his terrible QB's house (I don't blame him). I think he knows Schaub playing just angers the mob and does not help us one bit long term. Keenum playing calms the mob but still doesn't help us long term. I would pick the same one as him (Keenum). Kubiak apparently didn't care enough about that to keep his job 3 more weeks.

[popanot]

Originally Posted by barrett

I agree completely, and I told you, I don't think it has anything to do with finances.

Sorry, barrett. I must have been editing my response while you posted this response (and thus, my quote you included is different than my actual comments above).

[barrett]

Originally Posted by popanot

Sorry, barrett. I must have been editing my response while you posted this response (and thus, my quote you included is different than my actual comments above).

No problem.

The truth is I like McNair. There is a few weeks old thread where I defended him (http://www.inthebullseye.com/forums/...ghlight=mcnair ). He spends and stays out of it. Those are 2 of the 3 best qualities an owner can have. The 3rd and most importnat is hiring good people, and you really only need to get that right once.

That is why the timing of everything this week bothers me a bit. He doesn't appear to be staying out of it. Our ST have been terrible for the whole existence of our franchise and McNair kept Marciano. He even kept him when he fired everyone else. He carried his foundation. And now with fan uproar at its highest he fires the guy with 3 weeks left in the season? When we could give up 10 ST TDs and it wouldn't matter? And not after one of our many ST debacles?

All of a sudden McNair is meddling in who should play and who should be a position coach? I just don't buy it's because he had football opinions that couldn't wait 3 weeks. Not when he has never imposed a football opinion in-season during our whole franchise history. I think he is getting a head start on washing the stink of 2013 and starting the optimism of an offseason with a new coach and the #1 pick.

And I don't have a problem with it. I just won't rejoice over a 3 week difference in timing that equates to a PR move (even a much needed one). I will wait to see who we hire and see if he can finally get the most important part of being an owner right (hiring good people). For all of you proclaiming him a good owner you do realize he is the one who hired all of the guys you have hated (Capers, Casserly, Kubiak, Marciano, etc...). His best hire ever is Rick Smith (an average GM to this point with some big hits and big misses). But like I said, he really only needs to get one hire right. Bob Kraft is Bob McNair who stumbled onto Bellachik.

[Nconroe]

And maybe Bellicheck stumbled over Tom Brady. They win a lot, make playoffs a lot, hadn't won superbowl since 2007, but that would be welcome here.