Case Keenum: Career Backup or Something More?

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Arky

Actually, I'll do whatever the hell I want, barrett. Just include me in the whiny, complaining, venting fan category if it makes you feel better....

You can say all you want as often as you want (I know I do). You simply won't be balancing anything.

[Arky]

Originally Posted by barrett

You can say all you want as often as you want (I know I do). You simply won't be balancing anything.

Maybe not for this forum's consciousness. But I'll feel a lot better.

I think there's many people like me that hit all the Texan forums. It's hard not to be affected by some of the predominate chatter....

[Keith]

Originally Posted by barrett

My point was simply there are lots of QBs this year and we won't find ourselves looking at Carr as our only option in some kind of cosmic joke. Additionally, if Kubiak is gone, not one member of our organization who got rid of big brother would still be here (unless our ST coach survives another HC hiring).

Well, Bob McNair is still here. And his minority owners. I don't know for sure, but I can imagine the feeling is mutual that the Carr's and the Texans prefer to avoid each other outside of meaningless pleasantries exchanged. I've been fearing lil' Carr on the draft board since I started a thread in September. It would not surprise me at all if lil' Carr makes a big move up general scouts' boards between now and April. David wasn't much more of a 2nd or 3rd round pick early into his final season at Fresno, too.

Originally Posted by Arky

This last game, seemed to me, he was "instructed" to be more Schaub-like....

Blame Kubiak. No argument.

Originally Posted by Arky

And "dangerous" to prorate his stats after 3.5 games? Not the adjective I would have used.... "premature" maybe.... Some of us consider it "ludicrous" to call a guy a career back-up after 4 or 5 games but that's probably another situation where "premature" works better....

I used dangerous in the sense that making long-term decisions based on prorated stats is beyond risky. Calling him a career backup may sound like me doing the same, but all I can say is that stats (prorated or not) have little to do with my opinion on this... I'm letting my eyeballs drive my thinking here. That split stat on completion % is available on ESPN, Yahoo, etc... anywhere split stats are posted.

Originally Posted by Arky

QB development can take years.

Agreed. I've written here numerous times about how QB's in Kubiak's system really take three years to pick it up. So now Case is somewhere in between year 1 and year 2. Problem is Kubiak is presumably gone after the season, and a new HC is probably not going ignore a 1st round QB prospect in favor of Keenum. Keeping Keenum here where he is loved by the locals would be a tough way to bring along a new rookie QB as well.

[Arky]

Originally Posted by Keith

............... I've written here numerous times about how QB's in Kubiak's system really take three years to pick it up. So now Case is somewhere in between year 1 and year 2. Problem is Kubiak is presumably gone after the season, and a new HC is probably not going ignore a 1st round QB prospect in favor of Keenum. Keeping Keenum here where he is loved by the locals would be a tough way to bring along a new rookie QB as well.

Well, if he wants to stick around in Houston, he needs to start showing progress, pronto. His play in his first 3 losses (KC, Colts, Cards) was more than acceptable, IMO. Against the Raiders and Jags, not so much. I saw a stat in the Chron today.... Avg margin of defeat in Keenum's 5 losses = 3.8 pts. Avg margin of defeat in the previous 4 losses (Schaub) = 20 pts.

Provided he's the starter the rest of the year, the New England and the Denver defenses might be too smart for him at this stage so it will be interesting how he does in those games. Seeing the Jags and Colts a second time - these are less scarier and will be chances to show that he's learning. The Titans defense is top 12 and will be another good test.

As mentioned, if he wants to survive a possible/probable regime change in Houston, it's up to him. By all accounts, he's supposed to be a quick study. An incoming coach may want to draft a QB, but keep Keenum around for competition and continuity.... Don't know about you, but if I was an incoming coach and asked to pick one of Schaub/Yates/Keenum, I'm taking Keenum....