Official Texans vs. Seahawks Game Thread, 9/29/2013

[Nconroe]

Ok, do we have a QB controversy?

[Keith]

Originally Posted by Nconroe

Ok, do we have a QB controversy?

Probably not, but today was the first time I had hoped for Yates to be under center when Schaub was able to. Immediately after the pick 6, the QB would have been Yates for me.

Huge brain fart from Schaub today.

[HPF Bob]

As much as I want to dump on Schaub, the major problem was the offensive line. People are figuring out that all we do, even on third and long, is dink and dunk passes because we have no confidence in our line.

Secondly, Pleasant should be cut. Two major ST mistakes in one game = waiver wire.

I swear Matt Schaub is the only quarterback in the league they allow to take head shots on a regular basis without ever throwing a flag. There were two obvious ones I saw, including the one where the Seahawk defender went to the hospital.

Whether it's cheap-shotted, kicked in the nuts or anything else, the Texans never retaliate. Never.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by Keith

Probably not, but today was the first time I had hoped for Yates to be under center when Schaub was able to. Immediately after the pick 6, the QB would have been Yates for me.

Huge brain fart from Schaub today.

Nothing will change until Kubiak's gone and I don't see Bob firing that idiot as long as the Texans keep raking in money.

[Big Texas]

We can give the whole politically correct response all we want to...but the truth of he matter is all we had to do was run the clock out and we win and Shaub damn near threw a pass with his eyes closed...then he damn near threw another one in overtime...not to mention the redzone pick he threw early on...consistent critical ill timed mistakes by your offensive captain....he needs to go...NOW...no more incomplete games

[barrett]

Originally Posted by chuck

Nothing will change until Kubiak's gone and I don't see Bob firing that idiot as long as the Texans keep raking in money.

If that is true Kubiak needs to go. I've seen nothing that would convince me we would hold onto Schaub no matter what. We have had no problem replacing guys. Especially since I think Rick Smith would be the ultimate decision maker on that.

Either way we lost last week giving up 236 yards and lost this week giving up 270 (with an extra two OT possessions). When you can play that kind of defense against what are supposed to be good offenses and superbowl contenders, you should not be losing. The number one responsibility for your offense in that situation is to hold onto the ball and Tate and Schaub blew it. We could have kneeled down the 4th quarter and won. Ridiculous.

[chuck]

The team should be 4-0 and they should not have played a close game.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by chuck

The team should be 4-0 and they should not have played a close game.

Are they that much more talented than the rest of the NFL that they should be the only untested team in the league and should blow out Baltimore and Seattle? With Matt Schaub at QB? Really? And what stands in the way of that?

[Joshua]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

As much as I want to dump on Schaub, the major problem was the offensive line. People are figuring out that all we do, even on third and long, is dink and dunk passes because we have no confidence in our line.

Secondly, Pleasant should be cut. Two major ST mistakes in one game = waiver wire.

I swear Matt Schaub is the only quarterback in the league they allow to take head shots on a regular basis without ever throwing a flag. There were two obvious ones I saw, including the one where the Seahawk defender went to the hospital.

Whether it's cheap-shotted, kicked in the nuts or anything else, the Texans never retaliate. Never.

Didnt Seattle just beat us with an ever bigger piecemeal o-line than Ours? Isn't denver trotting out backups at multiple spots on the offensive line?

If you're waiting on the day that our o-line is good and healthy for 16 weeks, our running game is firing on all cylinders and none of our RBs ever turns it over, we have 2 lockdown corners and a better pass rush from our OLBs and whatever else you think this team needs to get over the hump, I'll save you 3 hours every Sunday. That day is never coming. Nobody has that. In fact, take out the QB, and I'm not sure there's a better roster in football (anyone you like more, setting aside the QB?). Nobody has all the pieces. How you cover up your inevitable deficiencies is good QB play. Trying to patch up everything else is simply shuffling deck chairs on the titanic.

[Joshua]

Originally Posted by barrett

If that is true Kubiak needs to go. I've seen nothing that would convince me we would hold onto Schaub no matter what. We have had no problem replacing guys. Especially since I think Rick Smith would be the ultimate decision maker on that.

Either way we lost last week giving up 236 yards and lost this week giving up 270 (with an extra two OT possessions). When you can play that kind of defense against what are supposed to be good offenses and superbowl contenders, you should not be losing. The number one responsibility for your offense in that situation is to hold onto the ball and Tate and Schaub blew it. We could have kneeled down the 4th quarter and won. Ridiculous.

Complete speculation but i don't think Schaub is treated like the rest of them. Because Kubiak is the supposed QB guru, i think this is the one position Smith defers almost exclusively to Kubiak. I base this on his 2 contracts and his complete lack of competition during his tenure here. Nobody else has had the luxuries Schaub has. I attribute this to Kubiak, but again, that's a guess.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Joshua

Complete speculation but i don't think Schaub is treated like the rest of them. Because Kubiak is the supposed QB guru, i think this is the one position Smith defers almost exclusively to Kubiak. I base this on his 2 contracts and his complete lack of competition during his tenure here. Nobody else has had the luxuries Schaub has. I attribute this to Kubiak, but again, that's a guess.

That could be. I would guess that if it is true then Kubiak is reaching a point where he needs to stop protecting or go down with the ship.

But I am not convinced that is how it is. Nobody ever brings in competition for their QB. You either replace your QB or you don't. You bring in competition and you setup a lame duck TB situation where you are cutting your QB's legs off. If Kubiak is protecting him I would guess it is just about his QB rep, since nobody creates 'competition' at QB on purpose. As for the 2 contracts, one was the initial one, and that was a good one. We wanted a guy to get us to the playoffs and replace David Carr. We obviously didn't want to bottom out and go high draft pick. Schaub was a good QB for a team looking to grow, he just didn't grow with the rest of the team. He is what he is. We got great mileage out of him for the talent and what it cost us. The 2nd contract was the bad one. We were clearly not sold on him and didn't extend him early and then got cold feet the day before the season and locked him up last year. A mistake, but Schaub's absence in the 2011 playoffs left the slight possibility hanging in the air we could do it with him. Strangely Schaub's injury got him a free pass and a lot of money that he never sees if he is healthy and spitting the bit in 2011.

[chuck]

No one brings in competition for their quarterback? How the hell did Wilson and Kaepernick come to be starters?

[barrett]

Originally Posted by chuck

No one brings in competition for their quarterback? How the hell did Wilson and Kaepernick come to be starters?

Who did they replace?

Seattle drafted one guy and signed another. They got two guys to compete and once one had the job they got rid of the other. They did not bring in competition for the established guy.

In SF Smith was never Harbaugh's guy. He inherited him, tried to replace him and struck out (manning), and then replaced him. And again, as soon as they made the switch they got Smith out of town because nobody actually wants competition at QB.

When a guy is an established starter you replace him or you don't (or you go Greg Schiano and half replace him and ruin his ability to play QB for your team because the whole team knows you don't want him). And we should have replaced ours. Not replacing him cost us a season (the last of AJ being AJ?), and might cost a whole bunch of people there job.

[Joshua]

Originally Posted by barrett

Who did they replace?

Seattle drafted one guy and signed another. They got two guys to compete and once one had the job they got rid of the other. They did not bring in competition for the established guy.

In SF Smith was never Harbaugh's guy. He inherited him, tried to replace him and struck out (manning), and then replaced him. And again, as soon as they made the switch they got Smith out of town because nobody actually wants competition at QB.

When a guy is an established starter you replace him or you don't (or you go Greg Schiano and half replace him and ruin his ability to play QB for your team because the whole team knows you don't want him).

You're right that Smith was Harbaugh's guy but you're greatly underselling how that went down. Smith was coming off a 13-3 season and an appearance in the NFC championship game and was the highest rated passer in the NFL when he got hurt. You're a good poster who prides himself on being reasonable and relying on the facts (a good natured dig after your minor scuffle here last week), so let's deal with what actually happened. Benching Smith at that time was huge.

[popanot]

Problem is the season isn't at a critical stage yet and Schaub does just well enough to where it's almost impossible to take him out. However, there is no doubt Schaub's skills have declined considerably. He is no threat to run (obviously), no threat to hit the deep ball, rarely leads his receivers to where they can get YAC, and, who doesn't cringe every time he throws a sideline pattern now? He has no zip on his passes at all. Top that off with his mind-numbing bonehead play(s) of the game and this is what you get. Nothing will change until the season is lost or Schaub gets hurt.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Joshua

You're right that Smith was Harbaugh's guy but you're greatly underselling how that went down. Smith was coming off a 13-3 season and an appearance in the NFC championship game and was the highest rated passer in the NFL when he got hurt. You're a good poster who prides himself on being reasonable and relying on the facts (a good natured dig after your minor scuffle here last week), so let's deal with what actually happened. Benching Smith at that time was huge.

It was. Sorry I undersold it as it wasn't my intention. I wasn't talking about the situation being small. When Harbaugh did that it was shocking, took huge balls, a bigger ego, and was potentially smart or maybe (still to this point) really stupid.

My point wasn't about the decision, it was about the fact that Harbaugh was clearly NEVER sold on Smith. They won that first year with running game and defense. Then they tried to replace him and couldn't. Then Harbaugh bold face lied and said they didn't. Then Smith actually played really well and Harbaugh still replaced him. And then got rid of him. It was clear in retrospect (no matter how shocking it was at the time) that Harbaugh never wanted Smith. When he drafted Kaepernick, Smith was terrible and had never played a down for Harbaugh.

It was definitely not a case of Smith being Harbaugh's QB and then Harbaugh went out and spent a 2nd round pick on a guy who could challenge him for the job. That doesn't happen in the NFL. You keep your QB until you don't believe in him and then you replace him and get rid of him as quick as possible. Kubiak/Smith should have reached this point with Schaub. But I sincerely hope another average year from Schaub gets him replaced, not brought back with competition.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by popanot

Problem is the season isn't at a critical stage yet and Schaub does just well enough to where it's almost impossible to take him out. However, there is no doubt Schaub's skills have declined considerably. He is no threat to run (obviously), no threat to hit the deep ball, rarely leads his receivers to where they can get YAC, and, who doesn't cringe every time he throws a sideline pattern now? He has no zip on his passes at all. Top that off with his mind-numbing bonehead play(s) of the game and this is what you get. Nothing will change until the season is lost or Schaub gets hurt.

So sad and so true. I actually hoped at the start of the last 2 seasons for us to tank so we would see changes at HC/QB somewhere else that matters.

[WMH]

Originally Posted by Nconroe

Ok, do we have a QB controversy?

You have to have something in waiting to have a controversy. We do not have that.

[Nconroe]

Could be but we aren't sure. Yates and Keenum may not have got us to up 20-3 at halftime today, but they likely wouldn't have lobbed a pick six to opposing CB three games in a row either.

Seems to be 3 threads debating how Schaub needs to go when.

[nunusguy]

If you think you had a bad Sunday watching the Texans, try sitting in a Sports Bar in Montana with a full house of SeaHawk fans while yelling for the Texans as they dominted the game for 3 quarters then ended up losing in OT. That was a humbling experience.
Talked to my wife on the phone back in Houston and she said the town is ready to lynch Schaub. How many pic 6s for him since joining the Texans ? Three just this year, right ?