Freeman: Would you?

[barrett]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

I'm not saying Yates and Keenum would put the Texans over the top only that they cost us nothing in terms of lost draft choices to find out. Yates does have better mobility than Schaub and (it seems in limited exposure) a stronger passing arm. What Yates lacks is experience. Keenum, to me, is a harder sell even though I rooted for him at UH. But he does seem like a valuable backup and the Texans must agree because they chose to keep him rather than expose him to waivers.

I agree if Freeman cost us anything more than a 4th, and if he didn't come with a seriously reduced contract. Really, the interest would not be more than marginal, especially when we could go after signing him for free after the season (to a deal we create). I would love to sign him in the offseason to a Leinhart type deal if he doesn't get big offers to start and he is smart enough to know Kubiak can rebuild a guy in a backup role.

[cadams]

i wouldn't go after freeman. to me he seems like a younger schaub, though maybe with a few more physical tools. if he was out there on the free agent market and you needed a veteran backup, then i would be fine with that, but nothing more.

[HPF Bob]

Originally Posted by barrett

I agree if Freeman cost us anything more than a 4th, and if he didn't come with a seriously reduced contract. Really, the interest would not be more than marginal, especially when we could go after signing him for free after the season (to a deal we create). I would love to sign him in the offseason to a Leinhart type deal if he doesn't get big offers to start and he is smart enough to know Kubiak can rebuild a guy in a backup role.

If Kubiak felt strongly about him and he was sold on the idea that he would have to earn the job, I am okay with.this. I suspect, though, that he would find better offers.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

If Kubiak felt strongly about him and he was sold on the idea that he would have to earn the job, I am okay with.this. I suspect, though, that he would find better offers.

He might get more direct paths to a starting job or maybe a longer deal somewhere else, but if I am a young QB who was considered a franchise guy just a few years ago, I'd prefer a 1 year deal with a QB teacher who can restore my image and give me access to a higher level job with a longer term pay off.

Basically I would bet on myself and take a 1 year deal (especially since backup QB has almost no injury risk), and I would hope to take a much better job from Schaub at best, or rehab my image and have a better chance at a good job at worst. The guy is still only 25 and has the time that he doesn't have to panic. If he'd rather go compete for a cleveland type job, I wouldn't want him anyways.

[barrett]

And just for perspective, when the relationship soured between Freeman and Schiano it was around the midpoint of last season. Since then TB is 1-10, worst record in football. Before that point Freeman had 16 TDs and 3 INTs, and 8.6 YPA on the season. Combine that with a fantastic 2010 (25/6 TD/INT at 22 years old), all the measurables, and you see why a good QB coach would look at him and say, "I can get consistency out of that guy."

[chuck]

Originally Posted by barrett

... I'd prefer a 1 year deal with a QB teacher who can restore my image and give me access to a higher level job with a longer term pay off.

How effective is Kubiak as a quarterback coach? I've been in the vanguard at promoting this idea, but a little thought proves it to be little more than a myth.

Let's see whom he's tutored as Texans and what they've accomplished after their Texans tenure:

David Carr: No need to scratch at scar tissue here

Sage Rosenfels: No meaningful playing time post-Texans

Rex Grossman: Went to Washington and briefly started

Dan Orlovsky: Started a few games in Indy in 2011 including a win over the Texans, no success beyond that

Matt Leinart: Failed in Oakland and Buffalo, that should tell you something

Jake Delhomme: Nothing as a Texan, nothing post-Texans

Jeff Garcia: Nothing as a Texan, nothing post-Texans

Matt Schaub: I don't know if you could argue that he's better today than he was in 2007

Maybe Kubiak is a great quarterback coach but it certainly isn't reflected in the play of the quarterbacks he's coached with the Texans.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by chuck

How effective is Kubiak as a quarterback coach? I've been in the vanguard at promoting this idea, but a little thought proves it to be little more than a myth.

Let's see whom he's tutored as Texans and what they've accomplished after their Texans tenure:

David Carr: No need to scratch at scar tissue here

Sage Rosenfels: No meaningful playing time post-Texans

Rex Grossman: Went to Washington and briefly started

Dan Orlovsky: Started a few games in Indy in 2011 including a win over the Texans, no success beyond that

Matt Leinart: Failed in Oakland and Buffalo, that should tell you something

Jake Delhomme: Nothing as a Texan, nothing post-Texans

Jeff Garcia: Nothing as a Texan, nothing post-Texans

Matt Schaub: I don't know if you could argue that he's better today than he was in 2007

Maybe Kubiak is a great quarterback coach but it certainly isn't reflected in the play of the quarterbacks he's coached with the Texans.

I don't look at that list and question Kubiak. I look at that list and praise him. Not one QB on our roster was a starting QB the year before coming here. That means nobody else in the NFL has ever evaluated a guy as a starter before arriving here. Or after for that matter.

That means with the rest of the league's backups we have become a successful NFL franchise. Maybe I am not a huge Kubiak fan, maybe I think Schaub needs to go before we take another step, but I have to tip my cap at Kubs winning as many games as he has in a QB driven league with Rick Smith providing him with table scraps at the league's most important position.

I mean, doesn't it say something that the extremely limited Matt Schaub is the most talented guy on that list?

[chuck]

Originally Posted by barrett

I mean, doesn't it say something that the extremely limited Matt Schaub is the most talented guy on that list?

I understand what you're saying but I think most people would concede that the Texans' success has often been in spite of the team's quarterback play rather than because of it.

[HPF Bob]

That list is a bit misleading. Delhomme and Garcia were emergencies brought out of retirement. He only had one year with Carr and some of the others were just passing through town.

The reputation comes from developing guys like Brian Griese and Jake Plummer, not the guys at the Texans other than Schaub.