2013 Mocks and Needs

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

I agree 100%!

What do u think about:

29. Jonathan Banks CB Miss St 6'2" 200
59. Ezekiel Ansah 3-4DE BYU 6'6" 275
75*. Cordarrelle Patterson WR Tenn 6'3" 205
91. Robert Lester S Alabama 6'2" 210
123. Jamie Collins OLB/ILB S. Miss 6'3" 239
155. Mike Gillislee Florida RB 5'11" 209
187. Braden Brown OT BYU 6'5" 302
219. Greg Blair ILB Cinn 6'2" 240


*Ben Tate trade to New Orleans.

Yours is better then theirs was by far. Another way this could go:

29 Cobi Hamilton WR Arkansas 6' 3" 209
59 John Jenkins DT Georgia 6' 4" 350
91 Shayne Skov ILB Stanford 6' 3" 242
123 Joe Kruger* DE Utah 6' 7" 280
155 Joseph Fauria TE UCLA 6' 8" 252
187 Josh Dworaczyk OG LSU 6' 6" 295
219 Sanders Commings CB Georgia 6' 2" 216

And I agree with Nconroe, don't the Saints have a stable of backs? And does Tate have any value with his track record of being hurt 2 of his 3 years?

[Blitzwood]

Not a bad one PK.

As for the Tate trade, We know the Texans are
gonna make some trade(s), it's anybody's guess who or what it involves. That said, I believe Tate would be an upgrade to Pierre Thomas, but they do have 4 RB's on their roster NC, point taken.

I would trade Tate for a third rounder (or fourth rounder for that matter)and attempt to draft a RB in the later rounds. The more I look at this draft class, the better I feel about the talent coming out this year, besides QB.

[painekiller]

27 Terrance Williams WR Baylor 6' 3" 205
57 Tony Jefferson* S Oklahoma 5' 10" 199
89 Jesse Williams DT Alabama 6' 4" 320
121 Brennan Williams OT UNC 6' 7" 315
153 Bruce Taylor ILB Virginia Tech 6' 2" 246
185 Michael Buchanan DE Illinois 6' 6" 240
217 Terrence Brown* CB Stanford 6' 1" 178

This is not a bad one. I would be happy with Williams at 27. Don't see Jefferson's as the prototype safety size wise that they look for. I was not impressed by Williams pass rush. So I might go this way

27 Terrance Williams WR Baylor 6' 3" 2053
57 John Jenkins DT Georgia 6' 4" 350
89 Robert Lester S Alabama 6' 2" 207
121 Joe Kruger* DE Utah 6' 7" 280
153 Bruce Taylor ILB Virginia Tech 6' 2" 246
185 Michael Williams TE Alabama 6-5 272
217 Nick Florence QB Baylor 6' 1" 205

[HPF Bob]

Maybe we could have an all-Williams draft...

[barrett]

Originally Posted by painekiller

27 Terrance Williams WR Baylor 6' 3" 205
57 Tony Jefferson* S Oklahoma 5' 10" 199
89 Jesse Williams DT Alabama 6' 4" 320
121 Brennan Williams OT UNC 6' 7" 315
153 Bruce Taylor ILB Virginia Tech 6' 2" 246
185 Michael Buchanan DE Illinois 6' 6" 240
217 Terrence Brown* CB Stanford 6' 1" 178

This is not a bad one. I would be happy with Williams at 27. Don't see Jefferson's as the prototype safety size wise that they look for. I was not impressed by Williams pass rush. So I might go this way

27 Terrance Williams WR Baylor 6' 3" 2053
57 John Jenkins DT Georgia 6' 4" 350
89 Robert Lester S Alabama 6' 2" 207
121 Joe Kruger* DE Utah 6' 7" 280
153 Bruce Taylor ILB Virginia Tech 6' 2" 246
185 Michael Williams TE Alabama 6-5 272
217 Nick Florence QB Baylor 6' 1" 205

But we're starting 2 former CBs at Safety (Manning and Quinn). With the development of the TE position, the rules on contact over the middle, and the lean towards passing in general, I think Safeties will get smaller and faster.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by barrett

But we're starting 2 former CBs at Safety (Manning and Quinn). With the development of the TE position, the rules on contact over the middle, and the lean towards passing in general, I think Safeties will get smaller and faster.

TE have been getting taller and faster, a mismatch problem for a smaller safety. When a 6'5" TE can put the 5'10" Safety on his hip and out reach the guy in the Red Zone, 4.3 speed will not be a factor.

Just watch Graham or Gronk play, they eat smaller safeties for lunch, and they out run LBs for dessert.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by painekiller

TE have been getting taller and faster, a mismatch problem for a smaller safety. When a 6'5" TE can put the 5'10" Safety on his hip and out reach the guy in the Red Zone, 4.3 speed will not be a factor.

Just watch Graham or Gronk play, they eat smaller safeties for lunch, and they out run LBs for dessert.

Quinn played great against TEs. He eliminated 6'6" Gresham in the wildcard round. You will not find guys who can compete size-wise with gronkowski and also run with him. The position is moving towards smaller guys (Quinn, McCourty, Woodson, and others all moved to safety this year to get more guys who can run and cover on the field).

[painekiller]

27 Terrance Williams WR Baylor 6' 3" 205
57 Kenny Vaccaro S Texas 6' 1" 215
89 Jordan Hill DT Penn State 6' 1" 297
121 Brennan Williams OT UNC 6' 7" 315
153 Bruce Taylor ILB Virginia Tech 6' 2" 246
185 Stansly Maponga* DE TCU 6' 2" 260
217 Travis Howard CB Ohio State 6' 0" 190

I could live with this one. I would make a few changes, but nothing earth shattering.