2013 Mocks and Needs

[barrett]

Originally Posted by painekiller

27 Terrance Williams WR Baylor 6' 3" 205
57 Tony Jefferson* S Oklahoma 5' 10" 199
89 Jesse Williams DT Alabama 6' 4" 320
121 Brennan Williams OT UNC 6' 7" 315
153 Bruce Taylor ILB Virginia Tech 6' 2" 246
185 Michael Buchanan DE Illinois 6' 6" 240
217 Terrence Brown* CB Stanford 6' 1" 178

This is not a bad one. I would be happy with Williams at 27. Don't see Jefferson's as the prototype safety size wise that they look for. I was not impressed by Williams pass rush. So I might go this way

27 Terrance Williams WR Baylor 6' 3" 2053
57 John Jenkins DT Georgia 6' 4" 350
89 Robert Lester S Alabama 6' 2" 207
121 Joe Kruger* DE Utah 6' 7" 280
153 Bruce Taylor ILB Virginia Tech 6' 2" 246
185 Michael Williams TE Alabama 6-5 272
217 Nick Florence QB Baylor 6' 1" 205

But we're starting 2 former CBs at Safety (Manning and Quinn). With the development of the TE position, the rules on contact over the middle, and the lean towards passing in general, I think Safeties will get smaller and faster.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by barrett

But we're starting 2 former CBs at Safety (Manning and Quinn). With the development of the TE position, the rules on contact over the middle, and the lean towards passing in general, I think Safeties will get smaller and faster.

TE have been getting taller and faster, a mismatch problem for a smaller safety. When a 6'5" TE can put the 5'10" Safety on his hip and out reach the guy in the Red Zone, 4.3 speed will not be a factor.

Just watch Graham or Gronk play, they eat smaller safeties for lunch, and they out run LBs for dessert.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by painekiller

TE have been getting taller and faster, a mismatch problem for a smaller safety. When a 6'5" TE can put the 5'10" Safety on his hip and out reach the guy in the Red Zone, 4.3 speed will not be a factor.

Just watch Graham or Gronk play, they eat smaller safeties for lunch, and they out run LBs for dessert.

Quinn played great against TEs. He eliminated 6'6" Gresham in the wildcard round. You will not find guys who can compete size-wise with gronkowski and also run with him. The position is moving towards smaller guys (Quinn, McCourty, Woodson, and others all moved to safety this year to get more guys who can run and cover on the field).

[painekiller]

27 Terrance Williams WR Baylor 6' 3" 205
57 Kenny Vaccaro S Texas 6' 1" 215
89 Jordan Hill DT Penn State 6' 1" 297
121 Brennan Williams OT UNC 6' 7" 315
153 Bruce Taylor ILB Virginia Tech 6' 2" 246
185 Stansly Maponga* DE TCU 6' 2" 260
217 Travis Howard CB Ohio State 6' 0" 190

I could live with this one. I would make a few changes, but nothing earth shattering.

[Blitzwood]

Originally Posted by painekiller

27 Terrance Williams WR Baylor 6' 3" 205
57 Kenny Vaccaro S Texas 6' 1" 215
89 Jordan Hill DT Penn State 6' 1" 297
121 Brennan Williams OT UNC 6' 7" 315
153 Bruce Taylor ILB Virginia Tech 6' 2" 246
185 Stansly Maponga* DE TCU 6' 2" 260
217 Travis Howard CB Ohio State 6' 0" 190

I could live with this one. I would make a few changes, but nothing earth shattering.

27. Cordarrelle Patterson* WR Tennessee 6' 3" 205
57. Dallas Thomas OT Tennessee 6' 5" 310
89. Gerald Hodges OLB Penn St 6' 2" 240
121. DeVonte Holloman S South Carolina 6' 2" 226
153. Robert Alford CB S.E. Louisiana 5' 11" 195
185. Vince Williams ILB Florid St 6' 1" 250
217. T.J. Johnson OC S. Carolina 6'6" 319

I thought the first was decent; my cherry pick. If only...

[painekiller]

27 Alec Ogletree* ILB Georgia 6' 3" 232
57 Dallas Thomas OT Tennessee 6' 5" 310
89 Tavarres King WR Georgia 6' 1" 184
121 Greg Reid CB Valdosta State 5' 9" 175
153 Chris Jones DT Bowling Green 6' 2" 290
185 Stepfan Taylor RB Stanford 5' 11" 209
217 Ryan Otten TE San Jose State 6' 6" 245

I like Ogletree, but I am not sure he is big enough to be ILB for Wade. And I am not sure that OT is a top need.

27 Cordarrelle Patterson* WR Tennessee 6' 3" 205
57 Bacarri Rambo S Georgia 6' 1" 208
89 Jordan Hill DT Penn State 6' 1" 297
121 Nico Johnson ILB/OLB Alabama 6' 3" 238
153 A.J. Klein ILB Iowa State 6' 1" 240
185 Stepfan Taylor RB Stanford 5' 11" 209
217 Joe Kruger* DE Utah 6' 7" 280

I would have liked to get an OL at some point in this, but I failed to do so.

[chuck]

Man, I'm so down on this team that it's hard for me to get any clarity on where we are and what we need.

I'm with you in thinking that OT and even OL in general is not a real need. Cush is the only ILB on the field in nickel and dime so do you really want to go first overall on a guy who can only play a third of defensive snaps? I'd love to get a big, fast, athletic WR but I have no confidence that the head coach will use him or that the quarterback will find him.

I say DT or secondary or even OLB. We need to upgrade the Cody/Mitchell tandem, we need to upgrade JJo and we need to upgrade Barwin.

[Blitzwood]

Originally Posted by painekiller

27 Alec Ogletree* ILB Georgia 6' 3" 232
57 Dallas Thomas OT Tennessee 6' 5" 310
89 Tavarres King WR Georgia 6' 1" 184
121 Greg Reid CB Valdosta State 5' 9" 175
153 Chris Jones DT Bowling Green 6' 2" 290
185 Stepfan Taylor RB Stanford 5' 11" 209
217 Ryan Otten TE San Jose State 6' 6" 245

Our team needs are wide and plenty, here's a mock with compensatory picks in 3rd and 5th rounds.

1. Xavier Rhodes* CB Florida State 6' 1" 206
GQ gets a huge offer elsewhere and we're forced to moved K. Jax to safety, therefore CB trumps all other positions. We could take a safety here, but Wade wisely goes with a CB and selects the best on the board.

2. Da'Rick Rogers Tennessee Tech 6' 3" 215
With so many question marks at WR next year regarding Posey and company, Kubes' takes a very good WR in the second round.

3. Bennie Logan* DT LSU 6' 3" 295
With S. Cody on the decline, we take another NT to rotate with Earl Mitchell. Logan may need to add 10-15 pounds, but can rush the passer and defend the run admirably and is a steal in the third.

3b. Alvin Bailey OG Arkansas 6' 5" 319
The right side is still a work in progress and Bailey's depth will be needed if Caldwell doesn't return next year. The mammoth Bailey played RG at Arkansas and was regarded as one of the best interior linemen in the SEC in 2012.

4. Gerald Hodges OLB/ILB Penn State 6' 2" 234
Hodges provides depth and insurance at ILB, especially if Cushing loses some mobility/speed after knee sugery. Had multiple 100tkl seasons at Penn St, aka Linebacker U.

5. Christine Michael RB Texas A&M 5' 11" 215
While Forsett played well last season, Michael is too good to pass up in the 5th round.

5b. Chris Faulk OT LSU 6' 6" 316
Was second team All SEC prior to his knee injury in September 2012.

6. Duke Williams S Nevada 6' 1" 185
Productive DB with some kickoff return potential on ST.

7. Philip Lutzenkirchen TE Auburn 6' 5" 255
Thought about Michael Williams of Alabama here, but went with the better (route runner/hands) TE, never know if he may need to step up and play more due to injuries. If he can prove he's healthy post hip surgery, his versatility could really help this team.

I still think we'll sign some UD ILB's.