2012 mocks

[chuck]

Originally Posted by barrett

I thought Quinn was very good this year. His coverage ability in the slot gave us versatility and he was one of our surest tacklers.

Everyone in the secondary is good except Jackson. Everyone in the secondary could realistically be upgraded in the draft except Joseph.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by chuck

Everyone in the secondary is good except Jackson. Everyone in the secondary could realistically be upgraded in the draft except Joseph.

I would replace Manning before Quinn. Manning is better as a centerfield type when facing the QB, but Quinn was very good in coverage on TEs and RBs. And he was a great tackler in run support and the open field. So unless we are looking to replace both safeties, I feel like Quinn is perfect where he is.

[popanot]

As long as it took this staff to get serious about the S position and considering the poor play of years past, I'm fairly certain they're satisfied with the production we got last year and S is a loooooow priority in this draft.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by popanot

As long as it took this staff to get serious about the S position and considering the poor play of years past, I'm fairly certain they're satisfied with the production we got last year and S is a loooooow priority in this draft.

That's my read as well. I would love for the team to try to get better at corner through the draft but I believe that they think they have a lot of depth at the position with Harris and Carmichael yet to contribute.

I was just looking over the team's draft history. Holy shit was Casserly terrible.

[HPF Bob]

Originally Posted by chuck

I was just looking over the team's draft history. Holy shit was Casserly terrible.

The Painted Lady (Babin) didn't blossom until he left Houston but he's turned out to be a solid low-first-round pick. Was he worth what we gave up for him? Probably not but at least he's not the bust that Travis Johnson or Amobi Okoye were.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

The Painted Lady (Babin) didn't blossom until he left Houston but he's turned out to be a solid low-first-round pick. Was he worth what we gave up for him? Probably not but at least he's not the bust that Travis Johnson or Amobi Okoye were.

He had almost 20 sacks this season. That is worth what we gave up.

I think the bad coaching/bad drafting argument is chicken and egg, but does anyone think that last year's DC would have made Rick Smith look like executive of the year or would last year's defense have made Jonathon Joseph, Manning, Watt, and Reed look terrible.

So I am sure Casserly and Capers made each other look bad.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by barrett

So I am sure Casserly and Capers made each other look bad.

Oh, I do not mean to insulate Capers and staff from culpability, at all. But every single draft from 2002-2005 was a near disaster or a full-on disaster. I can't even credit that imbecile for Andre Johnson because Casserly had his sights set on McGahee until he got hurt.

In light of that it is especially curious then that the expansion draft was, with the Boselli injury excepted, an unqualified success.

[barrett]

It is tough to diagnose exactly what we do this year in the draft. We have a few postions that could be upgraded but that do not play that big of a role in our system (DT, MLB#2, WR#2/3).

And we have a few that could be upgraded even though guys performed well (both guard spots or Tackle if you move Winston in, Safety).

You have one spot they probably won't upgrade because of what they have invested already and don't want to admit they are wrong about (CB#2, KJ, Harris).

And you have one spot that will almost certainly be upgraded (KR/PR).

And on top of all that, the priorities could all be changed around by our own FA (C, G, OLB, CB#2 Allen) or by any cuts we make if we resign Mario and Foster (Demeco, Walter, JJ, etc...).

And then their is anyone we sign from outside in FA.

And one final concern is if Schaub has complications lingering.

Basically it is a total crapshoot to mock draft this year because for the first time ever we are a real NFL franchise without a gaping hole that we have to force our 1st round pick into filling.

[edo783]

Originally Posted by chuck

I was just looking over the team's draft history. Holy shit was Casserly terrible.

A reasonable case can be made that Kubes inherited a worse team than was had in the expansion. Probably not true, but also probably not to far wrong. Talk about screwing the pooch.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by edo783

A reasonable case can be made that Kubes inherited a worse team than was had in the expansion. Probably not true, but also probably not to far wrong. Talk about screwing the pooch.

Oh, I could very easily argue that the 2005 Texans were worse than the 2002 Texans. It would be far more challenging to argue otherwise.

That's pretty damning, really.

[painekiller]

26 Kendall Wright WR Baylor 5' 11" 185
58 Kevin Zeitler OG Wisconsin 6' 4" 315.
89 Josh Chapman DT Alabama 6' 1" 310
121 Aaron Henry S Wisconsin 6' 0" 210
153 William Vlachos OC Alabama 6' 1" 292
184 Asa Jackson CB Cal Poly 5' 10" 188
216 Mario Kurn DE San Diego 6' 2" 220

Other then Wright not being a prototype body type for Kubiak and not a known entity as a returner, I like this mock.