2012 mocks

[painekiller]

27 Devon Still DT Penn State 6' 5" 311
59 Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma 5' 11" 178
90 Joel Foreman OG Michigan State 6' 4" 304
122 Shaun Prater CB Iowa 5' 11" 172
154 Eddie Pleasant S Oregon 5' 11" 208
186 Rokevious Watkins OT South Carolina 6' 4" 340
217 Dezman Moses DE Tulane 6' 3" 248

Not a bad attempt, but not a great attempt.

Now my not so great attempt. Time to give AJ some help, WR depth.

27 Alshon Jeffery* WR South Carolina 6' 3" 234
59 Jeff Fuller WR Texas A&M 6' 4" 215
90 Nick Toon WR Wisconsin 6' 3" 212
122 Kheeston Randall DT Texas 6' 5" 295
154 Terrance Ganaway RB/FB Baylor 6' 0" 245
186 Lucas Nix OG/OT Pittsburgh 6' 6" 300
217 James-Michael Johnson ILB Nevada 6' 2" 240

[HPF Bob]

Absolutely not. It would be a total waste to draft three WRs with the first three picks. If I'm not mistaken, AJ and JJ are on multi-year contracts. Not sure Walters' contract status but they are adequate unless you're planning to trade them and you won't get value doing that. One WR out of top three I could accept (although I'd rather build depth at other positions first) but three is pure lunacy.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

Absolutely not. It would be a total waste to draft three WRs with the first three picks. If I'm not mistaken, AJ and JJ are on multi-year contracts. Not sure Walters' contract status but they are adequate unless you're planning to trade them and you won't get value doing that. One WR out of top three I could accept (although I'd rather build depth at other positions first) but three is pure lunacy.

First off, I glad to know that people do read my mocks. Secondly, I know there is no way that any team would draft 3 WR with the first three picks of the draft. It's hard enough to get one rookie up to playing speed much less three. That said, I wanted to show that in the draftsite mock we could get a stud WR in the 1st, or we could get a good WR in 2nd or 3rd round. At this time there is no way to know how these things will play out, and I did say I was offering up a bad attempt.

Thanks Bob

[Nconroe]

I watch your posts here PK, but early, thanks for updating guys to watch.

How about in first round - try to dominate both lines
Alameda Ta'amu Washington 6-3 / 337 DT
40 Time: 5.22 40 Low: 5.08 40 High: 5.38
Projected Round: 2 Rated number 3 out of 183 DT's

maybe in second - lotta big receivers so maybe need some big DB's?
Ray Ray Armstrong Miami 6-4 216 SS / FS
40 Time: 4.54 40 Low: 4.44 40 High: 4.65
Rated number 1 out of 93 SS's

[chuck]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Thanks Bob

I understood that you were saying that the team could draft an excellent prospect at receiver in any number of positions. And I think you're right. And they probably should. I was thinking a Steve Smith type initially like the Broyles kid from Oklahoma but lately I'm thinking the team might literally need a replacement for AJ. Not that AJ won't continue to play but I think the team needs most another big, fast, physical receiver with good hands. As much as I'd like to see the team loiter around until the second or the third to find one and as much as I want defensive secondary in the first I could be convinced to look for a receiver there also if the right guy came up.

But I think we can all agree that we'd be much happier if we could simply get back to gratuitously bashing Mexicans.

[NBT]

PK, I too appreciate you doing the Mocks. I just think this next Draft will finally be BPA (if we don't trade up), and they will try to emphasize the Oline, and WR.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Now my not so great attempt. Time to give AJ some help, WR depth.

27 Alshon Jeffery* WR South Carolina 6' 3" 234
59 Jeff Fuller WR Texas A&M 6' 4" 215
90 Nick Toon WR Wisconsin 6' 3" 212
122 Kheeston Randall DT Texas 6' 5" 295
154 Terrance Ganaway RB/FB Baylor 6' 0" 245
186 Lucas Nix OG/OT Pittsburgh 6' 6" 300
217 James-Michael Johnson ILB Nevada 6' 2" 240

How about me trying to do a good attempt?

27 Alshon Jeffery* WR South Carolina 6' 3" 234
59 Mike Brewster OC Ohio State 6' 5" 293
90 Kevin Zeitler OG Wisconsin 6' 4" 315
122 Aaron Henry S Wisconsin 6' 0" 210
154 Micah Pellerin CB Hampton 6' 0" 187
186 Kheeston Randall DT Texas 6' 5" 295
217 Jacquies Smith DE Missouri 6' 4" 255

[barrett]

Originally Posted by painekiller

How about me trying to do a good attempt?

27 Alshon Jeffery* WR South Carolina 6' 3" 234
59 Mike Brewster OC Ohio State 6' 5" 293
90 Kevin Zeitler OG Wisconsin 6' 4" 315
122 Aaron Henry S Wisconsin 6' 0" 210
154 Micah Pellerin CB Hampton 6' 0" 187
186 Kheeston Randall DT Texas 6' 5" 295
217 Jacquies Smith DE Missouri 6' 4" 255

I'd really rather go Tackle than Guard if we are going to use an early pick on an OL. Winston just isn't a Tackle to me. And Duane Brown definitely seems like a guy who could play either side. I say take the best Tackle in our first two picks and slide Winston in and flip Brown if need be. And Briesel is out the door.

I am still weary about a round 1 WR. The #2 WR in our offense has to do a lot of blocking and gets inconsistent targets (unless AJ goes down). And GMs tend to want to see draft picks justified (just like Rick Smith still wants Jackson on the field). I'd much rather see a round 2 or 3 WR so we don't have to take the ball away from Foster 5-7 times a game to get it to our new toy (like Dallas or Atlanta who look worse with very good 1st round WRs because they run less).

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by barrett

I'd really rather go Tackle than Guard if we are going to use an early pick on an OL. Winston just isn't a Tackle to me. And Duane Brown definitely seems like a guy who could play either side. I say take the best Tackle in our first two picks and slide Winston in and flip Brown if need be. And Briesel is out the door.

I am still weary about a round 1 WR. The #2 WR in our offense has to do a lot of blocking and gets inconsistent targets (unless AJ goes down). And GMs tend to want to see draft picks justified (just like Rick Smith still wants Jackson on the field). I'd much rather see a round 2 or 3 WR so we don't have to take the ball away from Foster 5-7 times a game to get it to our new toy (like Dallas or Atlanta who look worse with very good 1st round WRs because they run less).

Let me try it this way.

27 Mike Adams OT Ohio State 6' 7" 300
59 Jeff Fuller WR Texas A&M 6' 4" 215
90 Kevin Zeitler OG Wisconsin 6' 4" 315
122 Aaron Henry S Wisconsin 6' 0" 210
154 Micah Pellerin CB Hampton 6' 0" 187
186 Kheeston Randall DT Texas 6' 5" 295
217 Jacquies Smith DE Missouri 6' 4" 255

Most of the OTs rated in the late 1st and later will be RT at the next level in this draft. I will wait until the Senior Bowl to get a good read on Adams. Brown has been solid on the left side IMO, but Winston is still slow footed.

[barrett]

Looks great, but honestly who knows. If the organization has any long term health concerns for AJ my thinking goes out the window. But if AJ is still AJ for a few years I think I like the 2nd or 3rd round route. Especially since either our GM or our Coach forces early round picks whether they perform or not.

[painekiller]

25 Alshon Jeffery* WR South Carolina 6' 3" 234
57 Markelle Martin S Oklahoma State 6' 1" 198
88 Marcus Forston* DT Miami 6' 3" 305
120 Joe Looney OG Wake Forest 6' 3" 298
152 Matt Conrath DE Virginia 6' 7" 270
184 Steven Johnson OLB Kansas 6' 1" 237
216 Alfred Morris RB Florida Atlantic 5' 11" 222

I will not argue the 1st two picks, but the 3rd pick does not seem to be the type guy the Texans target. He was good as a sophomore then was suspended and then played poorly before and injury ended his junior year.

[NBT]

Yeah, and I remember a lot of you soothsayers saying you didn't think much of DE Aldon Smith who was taken by SF, and now has 14 sacks. !

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by painekiller

25 Alshon Jeffery* WR South Carolina 6' 3" 234
57 Markelle Martin S Oklahoma State 6' 1" 198
88 Marcus Forston* DT Miami 6' 3" 305
120 Joe Looney OG Wake Forest 6' 3" 298
152 Matt Conrath DE Virginia 6' 7" 270
184 Steven Johnson OLB Kansas 6' 1" 237
216 Alfred Morris RB Florida Atlantic 5' 11" 222

I will not argue the 1st two picks, but the 3rd pick does not seem to be the type guy the Texans target. He was good as a sophomore then was suspended and then played poorly before and injury ended his junior year.

25 Alshon Jeffery* WR South Carolina 6' 3" 234
57 Markelle Martin S Oklahoma State 6' 1" 198
88 Kevin Zeitler OG Wisconsin 6' 4" 315
120 Keenan Robinson ILB Texas 6' 3" 232
152 Brandon Taylor S LSU 6' 0" 191
184 Kheeston Randall DT Texas 6' 5" 295
216 Josh Oglesby OT Wisconsin 6' 7" 330