Official Texans vs. Raiders Game Thread, 10/9/2011

TheMatrix31 · #1 10-09-2011, 03:56 PM

It is unfathomable to me why Schaub didn't run it in.

It's also unfathomable to me how Schaub, the OL, and Jacoby Jones had SUCH AWFUL games.

It's also unfathomable to me how we keep getting injuries to critically important players.

Come back soon, Andre and Mario.

Big Texas · #2 10-09-2011, 04:04 PM

If there were any questions about where Shaub should be on the best QBs list, I hope today has answered them for you.

Shaub has all the tools to be considered a great QB, EXCEPT the mentality of a winner.

Name any other top 5 QB in the same situation who would not have won this game on that last play.

barrett · #3 10-09-2011, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Texas

If there were any questions about where Shaub should be on the best QBs list, I hope today has answered them for you.

Shaub has all the tools to be considered a great QB, EXCEPT the mentality of a winner.

Name any other top 5 QB in the same situation who would not have won this game on that last play.

Did you watch the final play? Nobody comes close to being open. Mike Vick and Cam Newton run that in, but no QB completes a pass to anyone we had in that route.

TheMatrix31 · #4 10-09-2011, 04:10 PM

If Schaub doesn't hesitate, he would have made it.

barrett · #5 10-09-2011, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMatrix31

If Schaub doesn't hesitate, he would have made it.

Do you plan on him running that guy over or out running him?

TheMatrix31 · #6 10-09-2011, 04:23 PM

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Do you plan on him running that guy over or out running him?

I would actually figure he'd Schaubcopter.

But it's better than throwing a stupid pass and having it end up in a dumb ass pick.

Give yourself a chance to win. Run the damn ball in.

barrett · #7 10-09-2011, 04:28 PM

Schaub is what he is. If you want a new qb because his lack of mobility holds us back, I would listen to the argument. But he isn't going to magically get fast because we want him to score on the last play. If he tries to run he gets unceremoniously dropped before sniffing the goalline.

Fonz the Boss · #8 10-09-2011, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMatrix31

I would actually figure he'd Schaubcopter.

But it's better than throwing a stupid pass and having it end up in a dumb ass pick.

Give yourself a chance to win. Run the damn ball in.

Id rather have Schaub try to make a play throwing the ball rather then try to bull rush it in and having to start Matt Leinart next week.

nunusguy · #9 10-09-2011, 04:44 PM

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If Schaub doesn't hesitate, he would have made it.

Barretts right, I just saw the replay and he gets maybe to the 4 yard line before he's tackled if he trys to run it into the EZ.

chuck · #10 10-09-2011, 04:52 PM

I'm still trying to understand why that call was to Vickers rather than Casey. Casey might have been hurt.

I don't know why Kubiak wasted a valuable timeout challenging a call that he clearly had no chance of overturning. It is absolutely inexcusable for Kubiak to continue to make these kinds of mistakes.

Why didn't have a quick-hit play called at the end to allow them another chance if the first call didn't work?

The Texans managed to look as bad as the stupidest, most undisciplined team in the history of football. Worse, actually.

TheMatrix31 · #11 10-09-2011, 04:59 PM

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I'm still trying to understand why that call was to Vickers rather than Casey. Casey might have been hurt.

I don't know why Kubiak wasted a valuable timeout challenging a call that he clearly had no chance of overturning. It is absolutely inexcusable for Kubiak to continue to make these kinds of mistakes.

Why didn't have a quick-hit play called at the end to allow them another chance if the first call didn't work?

The Texans managed to look as bad as the stupidest, most undisciplined team in the history of football. Worse, actually.

Casey was hurt. Him and Mario are expected to be evaluated again tonight.

That play that was challenged was a potential first down play. If not, we punt. The challenge HAD to be made. And it was a catch. You know it and I know it. Just inconclusive.

Kubiak had a lot of problems today, and the playcalling was pretty weak. Tough to have a good playbook without the best wide receiver in football and your two backup RBs out, but still.

This loss falls on Schaub, offensive line, and Jacoby Jones. Plain and simple.

TheMatrix31 · #12 10-09-2011, 04:57 PM

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Barretts right, I just saw the replay and he gets maybe to the 4 yard line before he's tackled if he trys to run it into the EZ.

If he ran to the pylon, he would have been able to dive and hit it.

barrett · #13 10-09-2011, 05:08 PM

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If he ran to the pylon, he would have been able to dive and hit it.

I guess you didn't see him get run down by 320 lb DT Tommy Kelly. But somehow you think he is beating the safety to the Pylon?

Big Texas · #14 10-09-2011, 04:26 PM

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Did you watch the final play? Nobody comes close to being open. Mike Vick and Cam Newton run that in, but no QB completes a pass to anyone we had in that route.

I respect you and your opinion...

But are you on the Matt Shaub for president campaign...

Believe me I like the guy and his skill set...However,

This game was clearly on his shoulders to win...maybe a pump fake to freeze the defender...maybe he continues towards the sideline to give the receiver more time to get open...maybe he changes the play call...I DON'T KNOW...but what I do know is that this loss was on him in the last seconds...and he would probably be the first to admit that.

barrett · #15 10-09-2011, 04:07 PM

You are crazy if you think Schaub could have run that in. I don't think he would have crossed the 3. An incomplete pass there ends the game. So does getting tackled. So I am really not down on the INT. I do think it is a bad play call. Run a fade first to make sure you get 2 cracks, not a play that eats up all :07.

And this loss is squarely on the OL (with an assist from the play calling combo of Kubiak and Dennison). They got killed in the run game and in the pass game. The 51 called passes and ONE 4th quarter run did not help.

Schaub played ok considering the circumstances. No run game. No pass protection. No receiver who could get downfield and the Raiders squatting on short routes. And with all that he comes up with over 400 yards. His options were so limited he completed over 100 yards in passes to Dreesen. I definitely don't put it on him.

We are simply not built to play without AJ. He is irreplaceable. Nobody else stretches the defense and we become a horizontal passing game. Jacoby Jones runs terrible routes (watch how often he is coming out of a break and the ball is a good 5 yards away because he rounded out of the route instead of being sharp). He also has no ball skills (kind of a need for a big play guy).

Big Texas · #16 10-09-2011, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by barrett

You are crazy if you think Schaub could have run that in. I don't think he would have crossed the 3. An incomplete pass there ends the game. So does getting tackled. So I am really not down on the INT. I do think it is a bad play call. Run a fade first to make sure you get 2 cracks, not a play that eats up all :07.

And this loss is squarely on the OL (with an assist from the play calling combo of Kubiak and Dennison). They got killed in the run game and in the pass game. The 51 called passes and ONE 4th quarter run did not help.

Schaub played ok considering the circumstances. No run game. No pass protection. No receiver who could get downfield and the Raiders squatting on short routes. And with all that he comes up with over 400 yards. His options were so limited he completed over 100 yards in passes to Dreesen. I definitely don't put it on him.

We are simply not built to play without AJ. He is irreplaceable. Nobody else stretches the defense and we become a horizontal passing game. Jacoby Jones runs terrible routes (watch how often he is coming out of a break and the ball is a good 5 yards away because he rounded out of the route instead of being sharp). He also has no ball skills (kind of a need for a big play guy).

The game is not always about how many passing yards you can put up...its about how many points you can put on the board...

The ball was on the 5 yard line. There was only 1 player who could have even made the tackle and he was still in the endzone when Shaub rolled out. You are telling me that Shaub made the right decision by throwing to a completely covered receiver who had not made a single play (receiving or returning) all day, rather than taking the chance at running 5 yards with no one within 4 yards of him?

Yes you are right the OLine got destroyed today...BUT we still had a chance to win it; and the game was on Shaub's shoulders to do it. AND he didn't...like so many times before...

400 yards....SO WHAT...

He threw for 4,000 last year...