Official Texans vs. Raiders Game Thread, 10/9/2011

Big Texas · #1 10-09-2011, 04:04 PM

If there were any questions about where Shaub should be on the best QBs list, I hope today has answered them for you.

Shaub has all the tools to be considered a great QB, EXCEPT the mentality of a winner.

Name any other top 5 QB in the same situation who would not have won this game on that last play.

barrett · #2 10-09-2011, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Texas

If there were any questions about where Shaub should be on the best QBs list, I hope today has answered them for you.

Shaub has all the tools to be considered a great QB, EXCEPT the mentality of a winner.

Name any other top 5 QB in the same situation who would not have won this game on that last play.

Did you watch the final play? Nobody comes close to being open. Mike Vick and Cam Newton run that in, but no QB completes a pass to anyone we had in that route.

TheMatrix31 · #3 10-09-2011, 04:10 PM

If Schaub doesn't hesitate, he would have made it.

barrett · #4 10-09-2011, 04:11 PM

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If Schaub doesn't hesitate, he would have made it.

Do you plan on him running that guy over or out running him?

TheMatrix31 · #5 10-09-2011, 04:23 PM

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Do you plan on him running that guy over or out running him?

I would actually figure he'd Schaubcopter.

But it's better than throwing a stupid pass and having it end up in a dumb ass pick.

Give yourself a chance to win. Run the damn ball in.

barrett · #6 10-09-2011, 04:28 PM

Schaub is what he is. If you want a new qb because his lack of mobility holds us back, I would listen to the argument. But he isn't going to magically get fast because we want him to score on the last play. If he tries to run he gets unceremoniously dropped before sniffing the goalline.

TheMatrix31 · #7 10-09-2011, 04:32 PM

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Schaub is what he is. If you want a new qb because his lack of mobility holds us back, I would listen to the argument. But he isn't going to magically get fast because we want him to score on the last play. If he tries to run he gets unceremoniously dropped before sniffing the goalline.

Good to know you have a crystal ball there. Mind telling me the lotto numbers for Tuesday night?

Big Texas · #8 10-09-2011, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by barrett

Schaub is what he is. If you want a new qb because his lack of mobility holds us back, I would listen to the argument. But he isn't going to magically get fast because we want him to score on the last play. If he tries to run he gets unceremoniously dropped before sniffing the goalline.

The argument is not in the interest of getting a new QB, its just releasing frustration about a last second play (and call) that looked, for lack of a better word, unrehearsed.

barrett · #9 10-09-2011, 04:36 PM

And I don't bring up the passing yards to prove he had a good game. He didn't have a good game. But he is not even near the front of the line when I am assessing blame to our offense. He played under pressure all game and had no protection. Sacked repeatedly, 6 balls batted down, no WRs getting open downfield. No running game to help him out. No running plays called (or screens) to slow down the pass rush. And he still moved the ball all day by throwing to guys like Joel Dreesen.

As for the final drive, it is a miracle we get down there with a bad punt return, a facemask on our gimply RG who should not have been on the field, no pass protection, and a bad snap. We managed to convert two 20+ yard conversions just on that drive (1st and 25 and 3rd and 23).

Not to mention he already threw what should have been the game tying TD to Vickers on the previous drive (the very fact that we are throwing to Vickers shows either a coaching/substitution screw up or a personell issue).

OL, play-calling, Jacoby Jones, and bad special teams play screwed us in this game, and the AJless offense could not overcome that.

Fonz the Boss · #10 10-09-2011, 05:18 PM

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I would actually figure he'd Schaubcopter.

But it's better than throwing a stupid pass and having it end up in a dumb ass pick.

Give yourself a chance to win. Run the damn ball in.

Id rather have Schaub try to make a play throwing the ball rather then try to bull rush it in and having to start Matt Leinart next week.

nunusguy · #11 10-09-2011, 04:44 PM

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If Schaub doesn't hesitate, he would have made it.

Barretts right, I just saw the replay and he gets maybe to the 4 yard line before he's tackled if he trys to run it into the EZ.

chuck · #12 10-09-2011, 04:52 PM

I'm still trying to understand why that call was to Vickers rather than Casey. Casey might have been hurt.

I don't know why Kubiak wasted a valuable timeout challenging a call that he clearly had no chance of overturning. It is absolutely inexcusable for Kubiak to continue to make these kinds of mistakes.

Why didn't have a quick-hit play called at the end to allow them another chance if the first call didn't work?

The Texans managed to look as bad as the stupidest, most undisciplined team in the history of football. Worse, actually.

TheMatrix31 · #13 10-09-2011, 04:59 PM

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I'm still trying to understand why that call was to Vickers rather than Casey. Casey might have been hurt.

I don't know why Kubiak wasted a valuable timeout challenging a call that he clearly had no chance of overturning. It is absolutely inexcusable for Kubiak to continue to make these kinds of mistakes.

Why didn't have a quick-hit play called at the end to allow them another chance if the first call didn't work?

The Texans managed to look as bad as the stupidest, most undisciplined team in the history of football. Worse, actually.

Casey was hurt. Him and Mario are expected to be evaluated again tonight.

That play that was challenged was a potential first down play. If not, we punt. The challenge HAD to be made. And it was a catch. You know it and I know it. Just inconclusive.

Kubiak had a lot of problems today, and the playcalling was pretty weak. Tough to have a good playbook without the best wide receiver in football and your two backup RBs out, but still.

This loss falls on Schaub, offensive line, and Jacoby Jones. Plain and simple.

barrett · #14 10-09-2011, 05:13 PM

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Casey was hurt. Him and Mario are expected to be evaluated again tonight.

That play that was challenged was a potential first down play. If not, we punt. The challenge HAD to be made. And it was a catch. You know it and I know it. Just inconclusive.

Kubiak had a lot of problems today, and the playcalling was pretty weak. Tough to have a good playbook without the best wide receiver in football and your two backup RBs out, but still.

This loss falls on Schaub, offensive line, and Jacoby Jones. Plain and simple.

So with Casey hurt that means schaub played the last two drives with no running plays and Walter, jones, dreesen, Daniels and foster. Street FAs at 3 and 4 WR. Practice squad backup rb. Backup fb. And an OL getting owned.

barrett · #15 10-09-2011, 05:16 PM

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I would like to congratulate you for submitting what is likely the most idiotic thing I have ever read regarding the Texans. Please consider that I do not visit the official team site so I am not suggesting that this is the most idiotic thing ever said about the Texans; it is simply the most idiotic thing I personally have ever read.

It was clearly not a catch, and it was even clearer that there was not nearly enough to overturn it.

Kubiak has time and time again proven that he has no idea when and how to use the challenge. Neither do you. And once again, I don't care that you are clueless but I do care quite a bit that the head coach is clueless.

Well said. Not sure if it was a catch, but a stupid challenge.

TheMatrix31 · #16 10-09-2011, 04:57 PM

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Barretts right, I just saw the replay and he gets maybe to the 4 yard line before he's tackled if he trys to run it into the EZ.

If he ran to the pylon, he would have been able to dive and hit it.

barrett · #17 10-09-2011, 05:08 PM

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If he ran to the pylon, he would have been able to dive and hit it.

I guess you didn't see him get run down by 320 lb DT Tommy Kelly. But somehow you think he is beating the safety to the Pylon?

Big Texas · #18 10-09-2011, 04:26 PM

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Did you watch the final play? Nobody comes close to being open. Mike Vick and Cam Newton run that in, but no QB completes a pass to anyone we had in that route.

I respect you and your opinion...

But are you on the Matt Shaub for president campaign...

Believe me I like the guy and his skill set...However,

This game was clearly on his shoulders to win...maybe a pump fake to freeze the defender...maybe he continues towards the sideline to give the receiver more time to get open...maybe he changes the play call...I DON'T KNOW...but what I do know is that this loss was on him in the last seconds...and he would probably be the first to admit that.