Baby Shan Leaving Texans / Search for a New OC

[Keith]

“We weren’t going to be denied,” Kubiak said. “When we were down (27-13), I told Kyle I wanted to go up-tempo. I thought we needed three possessions to win, so we went with our three-wide package.”

Shanahan, who’s expected to follow his father, Mike Shanahan, to the Washington Redskins, called the plays that produced three consecutive touchdowns.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...t/6796848.html

This maybe isn't new speculation given Mike Shanahan has been in the news for awhile now on his hunt for a new job, but I thought this deserved a thread here to watch how this develops.

Kyle Shanahan gets a lot of grief from fans (not quite all of it deserved imo), but how Kubiak fills the OC role should Kyle leaves will be interesting. Will Kubiak resume playcalling duties? Or will he turn it over to someone else, and if so, how will that impact what has become one of the best offenses in the league?

[WMH]

Originally Posted by Keith

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...t/6796848.html

This maybe isn't new speculation given Mike Shanahan has been in the news for awhile now on his hunt for a new job, but I thought this deserved a thread here to watch how this develops.

Kyle Shanahan gets a lot of grief from fans (not quite all of it deserved imo), but how Kubiak fills the OC role should Kyle leaves will be interesting. Will Kubiak resume playcalling duties? Or will he turn it over to someone else, and if so, how will that impact what has become one of the best offenses in the league?

Yeah, the writing is on the wall for Baby Shan to depart. This will be his last shot to work with his pops, and I just don't see him passing that up. I think he has been pretty vocal about wanting that opportunity. I say good for him. We will be fine. Baby Shan learned under Kubiak, and Kubiak maintained control throughout this year and last. I would imagine that it will be the same next year as well. Kubes will probably handle more than he needs to in the beginning, then hand it off after trust is earned.

Remember, last year vs the Bears, noone knew until the post game presser that Baby Shan even ran the offense......

[Mike]

This is a non-story. Kubes has said before that he expected at some point that Kyle would join Mike. I do think having playcalling duties removed from his plate has helped Kubes this year.

He will find an OC familiar with the system and be able to get him up to speed all throughout OTA's, mini-camp and training camp.

Will be interesting to see if Alex Gibbs comes back for another year.

[Keith]

per Charley Casserly of all people...

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sp...-80537292.html

With the Redskins on the schedule in 2010, that could make for an intriguing (and possibly primetime?) matchup.

[cland]

I guess that team will be called the 'Texans East'? Hopefully they don't romance some our our mid line depth.

[Nconroe]

Looks like Black Monday will be making plenty of coaches with experience available such as from Washington and Buffalo so far.

[James]

I can't say that coaching with his dad is going to be as much of a resume builder with Redskins as staying here and leading the Texans to the playoffs with one of the premier aerial attacks in the league. Just look at what Josh McDaniels was offered in such a hurry. I really think a hard sale from McNair and Kubiak would help him to realize that and stick for at least another year or two until he is offered a head job somewhere, rather than regress in Washington.

[chuck]

If the Texans end up with an OC who can shift the red zone play calling from stupefyingly idiotic to cheerfully boneheaded that should be good for another four wins or so.

[TheMatrix31]

I wonder who the candidates are to fill Shanahan's spot.

[texan]

Originally Posted by TheMatrix31

I wonder who the candidates are to fill Shanahan's spot.

My money's on Rick Dennison.

[Arky]

Originally Posted by TheMatrix31

I wonder who the candidates are to fill Shanahan's spot.

Aren't Kubiak's sons recently graduated? j/k

[Keith]

Originally Posted by James

I can't say that coaching with his dad is going to be as much of a resume builder with Redskins as staying here and leading the Texans to the playoffs with one of the premier aerial attacks in the league.

This was the first thing that crossed my mind a few weeks or so ago when rumors of his father's return began. And unsaid here is that the Texans would have to grant permission to the Redskins for an interview since this would be a lateral move, right?

There would presumably be better job security by moving to the Redskins, given his father would just be entering a multi-year contract whereas Kubiak will be entering the last year of his in Houston (barring an extension, of course). Job security does not equal job sanity though.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by Keith

There would presumably be better job security by moving to the Redskins, given his father would just be entering a multi-year contract whereas Kubiak will be entering the last year of his in Houston (barring an extension, of course). Job security does not equal job sanity though.

You know who owns the Redskins, right?

[Keith]

Originally Posted by chuck

You know who owns the Redskins, right?

Of course. But as it stands now, Kubiak has just one year left. Snyder may decide to axe Shanahan after one year, but I doubt it given the amount he'll be investing in his next head coach. And one would think that Mike wouldn't fire his son after one season, right?

But that's why I also referenced job sanity... working long days and nights with your father (seems over-romanticized to me once the "teehee, this is fun!" wears off) not to mention working for a crazy boss like Snyder might be detrimental to one's mental well-being.

[Keith]

chron.com has the short list of candidates to replace baby Shan:

The four candidates to replace Texans offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan are Tennessee offensive line coach Mike Munchak, Denver offensive line coach Rick Dennison, Atlanta quarterbacks coach Bill Musgrave and Kansas City offensive coordinator Chan Gailey. ...

Kubiak worked with Dennison, Musgrave and Gailey in Denver. He's never worked with Munchak, who has spent his entire 28-year playing and coaching career the Oilers/Titans.

Munchak has never been an offensive coordinator. He's coached the offensive line since he retired after the 1993 season.

Musgrave, a former NFL quarterback, coached Matt Schaub at the University of Virginia and with the Falcons.
Kubiak tried to bring Dennison with him from the Broncos in 2006, but Mike Shanahan wouldn't let him out of his contract.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...t/6798435.html

[Roy P]

Atlanta quarterbacks coach Bill Musgrave

Musgrave, a former NFL quarterback, coached Matt Schaub at the University of Virginia and with the Falcons.


--Put me down for this guy. The offense was able to produce some yardage, so I would like some "continuity" and familiarity. I realize there were times when the offense could not score in the red zone or convert short yardage situations, but I blame most of that on the interior OL and the RB.

[bckey]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Atlanta quarterbacks coach Bill Musgrave

Musgrave, a former NFL quarterback, coached Matt Schaub at the University of Virginia and with the Falcons.


--Put me down for this guy. The offense was able to produce some yardage, so I would like some "continuity" and familiarity. I realize there were times when the offense could not score in the red zone or convert short yardage situations, but I blame most of that on the interior OL and the RB.

I'm with Roy on this one.

[Mike]

I like Musgrave as well. Although Chan Gailey was a very good OC, just a terrible HC. He is like the offensive version of Capers.

[popanot]

All of those candidates have qualities I like and all would probably be fine in this system, although, Munchak is the least known commodity from an OC standpoint and probably the highest risk. It would be pretty cool having him and Bruce Matthews on staff, but I don't see him getting the job.

[NBT]

I don't know, I kind of like Mike Munchak for the OC job. He would certainly improve the run blocking and working with Kubiak, it shouldn't hurt the passing game too much. Besides it would piss off Bud Adams to lose him to the Texans. I like that thought. After thought: it would also reunite Munchak and Mathews, the best two Olinemen the old Oilers ever had.