How and why gas is priced like it is.

[edo783]

Originally Posted by KJ3

oh....

well....

nothing is free....but why does it have to be so hard?!?!?!

seriously, if anyone found a way to make solar panels cost efficient that person is going to be rich out the wazoo. rich enough to rename a part of the body a wazoo, and then have all of their money fall out of it.

They have figured it out. Checkout a company called Nano Solar I think is the name. Very cheap and very efficient panels. So much so that they are sold out for the next three years and power companies are converting to them. I would be splapping them on my house if I could get a hold of them.

[KJ3]

Originally Posted by edo783

They have figured it out. Checkout a company called Nano Solar I think is the name. Very cheap and very efficient panels. So much so that they are sold out for the next three years and power companies are converting to them. I would be splapping them on my house if I could get a hold of them.

WAZOO!!!

i'd be slapping them on my house if i could get a hold of them and change my deed restrictions.

my girl told me that solar panels also help the power grid by taking excess energy and spreading the wealth...i'm not totally sure if that's true but if it is and if Nano Solar decides it wants more money than it knows what to do with and sells it technology then power plants are soon to be a thing of the past.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by KJ3

WAZOO!!!

i'd be slapping them on my house if i could get a hold of them and change my deed restrictions.

my girl told me that solar panels also help the power grid by taking excess energy and spreading the wealth...i'm not totally sure if that's true but if it is and if Nano Solar decides it wants more money than it knows what to do with and sells it technology then power plants are soon to be a thing of the past.

I've seen that company too, but it was my understanding that they still had some work to do....mainly related to large scale production.

It is possible to "sell" any excess energy your house produces back to the power grid. I guess you would need a two way meter and some extra equipment. I know it can be done but I don't know how it works.

[KJ3]

i'm sure it's totally possible to measure watts going out if we're able to measure watts going in. but i didn't get the feeling it was so much "selling" the power back as it was just spreading it around making the workload on a nuclear-waste-producing or sky-blackening or power plant less. clean!

[edo783]

Originally Posted by papabear

It is possible to "sell" any excess energy your house produces back to the power grid. I guess you would need a two way meter and some extra equipment. I know it can be done but I don't know how it works.

From what I understand about the meter thing is that, if your producing more power than your using, the meter runs backwards for that time period. If by the end of the month you are still in the "Negative" ie sold power back, they send you a check for the value of that power at the rate you are a subsciber at. The question comes to my mind, how do you know they are being square with you and I guess you would have to read the meter at the same time they do. There are people/houses that are total power sellers. That would be a nice thing.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by edo783

The question comes to my mind, how do you know they are being square with you and I guess you would have to read the meter at the same time they do.

How do you know they aren't overcharging you on a normal house? Sure some people complain when they get a high bill....but they could be hitting you for an extra 10% a month. I don't think they generally do that, but if you trust them about how much you use.....why wouldn't you trust them about how much "extra" you produce.

[KJ3]

the question that comes to my mind is that if i don't have to pay a light bill every month i couldn't give a crap about how much money they send me back.

wait....that wasn't a question at all....

all i would care about is less dependance on big bad power plants. seriously if i put out solar panels that energized my townhouse free of cost and semi-supplied a cleaner form of energy to the connecting 15 houses around me i would be more than happy to call it even. i would see it sort of as an employee benefit for me even though i'm not really working for the power plant.

[edo783]

Originally Posted by papabear

if you trust them about how much you use.....why wouldn't you trust them about how much "extra" you produce.

Not saying I do. However, I suspect they would be less likely to be square with things they have to pay out rather than that which they recieve. Not saying, just saying.

[coloradodude]

So you guys really want to know why gas is priced like it is?

In order for an industry to change you can either wait for it to happen OR force it to happen.

When an industry waits for change to happen, it gets caught between the chopping block and the ax. Usually the industry is caught off guard and the extreme takes place forcing many companies to disappear. This is compared to an individual who is healthy one day and has a massive heart attack the next day. This is a catastrophic change that no one wants kind of deal.

The other way you have change is to take the bull by the nose ring and guide him where you want him to go. This is done on your terms.

Without looking up all of my old information, I'll just give you guys the gist of it. In the early 1950's a geologist made the calculated prediction that the earth's capacity to produce oil would peak in 1969 to 1971 (he called an exact year I just can't remember specifically which one). We had the oil embargo in (about) 1973 because this geologist happened to miss the peak production year by about one year. Enter Henry Kissinger who made a deal with Saudi and later OPEC that all oil could only be bought with U.S. dollars.

(Now on a side note, Saddam Hussein was a terrible man but the real reason the US went to war with him was because he felt the OPEC nations were getting screwed and he wanted to let nations use the currency of Saddam's choice...Iran is doing the same thing right now. They want to accept the Euro. Research the Iranian oil bourse to double check my info)

Back on track...Now the US Dept of Energy knows how the world's oil reserves are going and just about every single country's peak production has either occured or will occur by approximately 2012. So they know we need a new form of energy.

Now tie this in with our current Recession.

We can't go to war to stimulate our economy because we are already in one. Interest rates are already low despite being in a housing correction. So what else is there? Raise the gas prices so people will be forced to recognize the need for a new what?

A new fuel efficient vehicle for their family! Remember, interest rates are super low and way too many people drive cars/trucks/suv's that get less than 20 mpg. When an economy has slowed, the first thing economists watch for a recovery is...?

That's right! New car sales.

New car sales lead the recovery and will show the public that "everything is gonna be just fine." But the idiots running the show don't understand what this type of recovery does. It forces the already maxed consumer to take on way more debt which will devastate the US economy on the next correction.

Bottom line? High gas prices are being used to stimulate the economy.