3 Round Mock draft

[James]

You wouldn't take Crabtree at 15!? Wow . . .I think teaming him with Andre is a no doubter here. Most consider him the top prospect in the draft, no way we can pass up value like that, or at least trade the pick . . .

[Blitzwood]

Wow, that's work.

I guess I'll start with the obvious,

I don't see us drafting two safeties in the first three rounds.

I also don't see P.Harvin lasting until the 40th, he was the most dynamic player in the NCAA last year,
and lastly I don't see Shonn Greene anywhere, IMO he's a top 5 RB. Other than that, great job, I like the late run on WR's and the early run on OT's.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

Wow, that's work.

I guess I'll start with the obvious,

I don't see us drafting two safeties in the first three rounds.

I agree I don't see them drafting two safeties, but if they took these two guys, IMO, they will be set for years with two guys that no one will want to go over the middle against, and both are considered to studs in run game. Oh BTW they both have better cover skills then any safety we have had.

About the only pair of safeties I could compare them to is Taylor and Landry.

[painekiller]

Roy, 1st off excellent effort. A very realistic straight draft.

Where is Eric Woods? No way he falls to the 4th, or do you think Mayock, you and I are the only ones who like him? Isn't clearly ahead of Caldwell?

Also I hope you are wrong on Barwin going #11, I was thinking the other day, What if my desire for Matthews is colored, who else has his type skills but later in the draft? My answer was Barwin. Then I wondered what about him as 1st rounder? I was not ready to listen to the people tell me he is not 1st rounder, like they did about Raji, and Donald Brown. But a big case can be made for him. Even as SAM in the 4-3.

Along those lines I do not see Sidbury lasting to the late 2nd.

Lastly do you really think Freeman can be an ILB? That is different.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Where is Eric Woods? No way he falls to the 4th, or do you think Mayock, you and I are the only ones who like him? Isn't clearly ahead of Caldwell?

Also I hope you are wrong on Barwin going #11,I wondered what about him as 1st rounder? But a big case can be made for him. Even as SAM in the 4-3.

Along those lines I do not see Sidbury lasting to the late 2nd.

Lastly do you really think Freeman can be an ILB? That is different.

Aww crap! That's why I post these things here so you guys can catch where I messed up. I originally placed Eric Woods with the Bengals, but then realized that Mack was still on the board and put him there. However, I forgot that Woods was then still eligible to be drafted. Therefore, if I were to try to put him in the mock now, it would probably be somewhere between #50 - #60 since those teams could use an interior OL like Woods.

Yeah, Buffalo was the team that I was looking to trade down, but decided to just have my mock without trades. Then I realized that I was dealing with Buffalo who don't give a rat's ass about what any draftnik thinks. They need a pass-rusher and they need a TE, why not get both? If I were to trade down and still hope to fill a "need" there are three guys in the first round (I think) that I'd look for. Matthews, Barwin, and Maybin. Buffalo decided to draft McCargo and Whitner when everyone else was saying WTF?

Sidbury has really gotten no respect in my estimation. He has telephone poles for arms and reminds me of a taller version of Elvis Dumervil. I've seen him as a 4th rounder, but with so many teams wanting to rush the passer, it's hard to dismiss his 40 and his 10. He played at Richmond, but people seem to forget that DeMarcus Ware played for Troy, so forget about level of competition. Realistically, I could see GB and Dom Capers falling in love with the kid and drafting him #41, but I had them jumping on Maybin in the 1st round. Could you imagine drafting Maybin and Sidbury for a 3/4?

I had Freeman going to a 3/4 team. He has decent size and pretty good athleticism. Basically, he allows Ray Lewis to do his thing and cleans up. That's what Bart Scott did. Everyone seems to think that you only put robots in the middle of a 3/4 like Junior Seau or Teddy Bruschi to hide their limitations. I would imagine that putting a guy with some speed in the middle of the 3/4 wouldn't be a bad thing.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

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About the only pair of safeties I could compare them to is Taylor and Landry.

That's what I call helping out the back end.

[nero THE zero]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Oh BTW they both have better cover skills then any safety we have had.

You really think Patrick Chung has better coverage skills than Eugene Wilson?

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by nero THE zero

You really think Patrick Chung has better coverage skills than Eugene Wilson?

OK you got me with that one, but Chung's overall game is much better at this point.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

I don't see us drafting two safeties in the first three rounds.

I also don't see P.Harvin lasting until the 40th, he was the most dynamic player in the NCAA last year,
and lastly I don't see Shonn Greene anywhere, IMO he's a top 5 RB. Other than that, great job, I like the late run on WR's and the early run on OT's.

Yeah, the first one was to fit a need and the second one was simply best player available in Chip Vaughn. I actually have Vaughn rated higher than Chung on my personal draft board.

Harvin lasted a while because I was looking at WRs who actually play Split End and have a history of running routes. Percy is an athlete, but not a polished WR. Like I said at the beginning, I think WRs are going to be late picks because it takes too much time before they start making an impact. Also, there is more need at other positions. It may be a while before we see a player like Ted Ginn picked in the 1st round.

Shonn Greene's absence was a mistake. I simply thought that he was off the board, and obviously he was not. After going through three rounds, I sorted by name and position to make sure I didn't have one guy being picked twice. If I were to try to slip him in somewhere, it would probably be at #76 instead of Javon Ringer. My mistake.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by James

You wouldn't take Crabtree at 15!? Wow . . .I think teaming him with Andre is a no doubter here. Most consider him the top prospect in the draft, no way we can pass up value like that, or at least trade the pick . . .

With the foot surgery and no 40 time, people begin to wonder about how skills will translate at the next level. I can think of a couple of USC WRs who were pretty good in college, but not able to separate in the NFL. That is why I have Crabtree sliding down the board. Also, he was not as tall as his college listed him. Lastly, he played in a system that is pretty prolific at putting up passing numbers. All in all, it's just a hunch on my part that he slides on draft day.

Why did the Texans pass on him? Gee, look at all the rebuttals I got about Jeremy Maclin about how we had the 3rd best offense, the 23rd ranked defense, Kevin Walters is a TD machine who we don't want to move to the slot, etc.

There were many times in which I wanted to make a trade, but it's too much of a headache to try to figure out who has which pick to trade and how much it's worth. So, in stead of trying to come up with one of a bazillion computations, I went with the straight no trade mock.

[Nconroe]

Yes, most excellent effort. I would't mind at all if we got two safeties there, assuming they are top rated on the board at that time.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by James

You wouldn't take Crabtree at 15!?
. . .

I just checked my draft board against my mock.

I would have picked
15. Jeremy Maclin
46. Eric Woods
77. Chip Vaughn

So, I've adjusted my board and now would pick
15. Matthews
46. Sidbury
77. Vaughn and I'll be honest, I'm teetering on whether I should move up Shonn Greene.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by Roy P

I just checked my draft board against my mock.

I would have picked
15. Jeremy Maclin
46. Eric Woods
77. Chip Vaughn

So, I've adjusted my board and now would pick
15. Matthews
46. Sidbury
77. Vaughn and I'll be honest, I'm teetering on whether I should move up Shonn Greene.

Roy what has Woods done to make you think he is a day 1 pick? I just dont see him going before the 4th round. Did I miss something. Im really curious.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by mussop

Roy what has Woods done to make you think he is a day 1 pick? I just dont see him going before the 4th round. Did I miss something. Im really curious.

Watch him play. He seems to be a perfect fit for what Gibbs wants in a center.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Watch him play. He seems to be a perfect fit for what Gibbs wants in a center.

How many teams are running ZB scheme now? Serious question.

[jppaul]

Washington, Denver, Oakland, Houston, Green Bay, Carolina

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by mussop

How many teams are running ZB scheme now? Serious question.

While Woods would fit the ZBS, he's not a guy who can ONLY play in a ZBS. Any team who wants a C could plug him in. Most of the time, a ZBS C is a light guy like Nalen or McClure.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by mussop

Roy what has Woods done to make you think he is a day 1 pick? I just dont see him going before the 4th round. Did I miss something. Im really curious.

I'd love to get him in the 4th round. The thing is with so many teams going to a 3/4 defense, the OC has to be able to hold up against a NT. Woods did pretty well against B.J. Raji so I'd imagine his services will be sought after. The thing is he really has good athleticism to go along with strength, so he'd be a ZBS capable OL.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by Roy P

77. Vaughn and I'll be honest, I'm teetering on whether I should move up Shonn Greene.

I have a hard time believing the Texans will be waiting past the third round to select a RB. There just doesn't seem to be an option they're crazy about in FA (though I'd give Tony Hunt a call, but apparently I'd be the only one talking to him), and I'm not buying that Chris Brown is in their plans.

Slaton's backup is getting to be a pretty big priority. He's probably stronger now being a rookie and all last year, but Slaton had a hard time handling the workload he had last season (remember when Kubiak basicially rested him for a game?).

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Keith

I have a hard time believing the Texans will be waiting past the third round to select a RB. There just doesn't seem to be an option they're crazy about in FA (though I'd give Tony Hunt a call, but apparently I'd be the only one talking to him), and I'm not buying that Chris Brown is in their plans.

Yeah, yeah. I just moved up Greene ahead of Vaughn. Remember last season when I was begging the Texans to draft BenJarvis Green-Ellis? Then I wanted to snatch him off the practice squad of the Patriots? Problem would have been solved.

Anyway, this year's BJGE s Javarris Williams. Write it down.

Maybe a trade for Jalen Parmele with the Ravens, Michael Bush with the Raiders, or DeShawn Wynn with the Packers could be worked out?