D-Rob is D-lirious... [2/24 Report: Robinson Will Not Be Tagged]

popanot · #1 01-05-2010, 03:17 PM

...if he thinks he's going to get the F-Tag again. He was clearly surpassed on the depth chart by Quin and Reeves this year. Hopefully Bennett will rebound, McCain will continue to develop, we'll eventually get SOMETHING out Molden and we'll draft another CB or two.

Nope, sorry D-Rob... Nothing but a pay-cut or new team for you.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...t/6797865.html

nero THE zero · #2 01-05-2010, 03:55 PM

I could easily see him getting tagged and traded. If there's no cap his number is inconsequential in a one-year deal. So, you tag him, put him on the table, if you get what you feel he's worth, you take it, if not, run with him for another year.

Win-win.

NBT · #3 01-05-2010, 04:32 PM

I could easily see dRob in our rear window. No great loss.

Roy P · #4 01-05-2010, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by nero THE zero

So, you tag him, put him on the table, if you get what you feel he's worth, you take it, if not, run with him for another year.

If not, we are paying too much money for an underperformer. That's money we could have spent on a Free Agent that may actually make the team better by producing commensurate with his compensation.

cland · #5 01-05-2010, 07:11 PM

I wouldn't be all that hasty... D-Rob was definitely not playing like a franchise corner, but he was above average. And I wouldn't rank either Quin or Reeves as being better.

I'd love for the league to fix the transition tag. Make it top 15 or 20 salaries, as opposed to top 10 and let an arbitrator pull any poison pill provisions.

Have a look at the FA CBs you'd look to replace him with:

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2010/fa/db.html

Richard Marshall is a RFA, and I don't see any one else that I consider an upgrade. The last thing I want to do this off-season is open up any additional holes. The draft is pretty shy on start from day 1 CBs as well, and most will go before we pick.

My plan for the Texans' is to keep reasonable talent at all positions. Get the FAs that provide the best value, and draft the BPA's. Hopefully we can get away from 1st rounders have to start in year 1, and get to an all draft picks will have to win the job. That's how to get a long-term successful team.

Roy P · #6 01-05-2010, 09:24 PM

I just think the money could be better spent elsewhere. Perhaps we go after RB La'Ron Mclain and OG Logan Mankins instead?

nero THE zero · #7 01-06-2010, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Roy P

If not, we are paying too much money for an underperformer. That's money we could have spent on a Free Agent that may actually make the team better by producing commensurate with his compensation.

There's really no significance there if the league doesn't have a cap. So long as McNair is willing to make the gamble of possibly overpaying a player for one year for the chance at gaining a nice draft pick, then it's a good deal for us no matter what. And, he can certainly afford such a gamble.

Bigtinylittle · #8 01-06-2010, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Roy P

I just think the money could be better spent elsewhere. Perhaps we go after RB La'Ron Mclain and OG Logan Mankins instead?

If we go uncapped this year I'm OK with keeping him. I'd probably put his true value at about 5 million a year. If we pay 12 million for one year, it's essentially an insurance policy to cover key injuries in the secondary. If McNair wants to buy that insurance, it won't bother me a bit.

nero THE zero · #9 01-06-2010, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Roy P

I just think the money could be better spent elsewhere. Perhaps we go after RB La'Ron Mclain and OG Logan Mankins instead?

Neither will be UFA's, so you'll have to offer ridiculous money and lose draft picks.

Nconroe · #10 01-07-2010, 01:41 AM

Actually RFA's if drafted in mid to low rounds are a very good bargain. ie. you might get a starter and only give up a sixth round draft pick.

nero THE zero · #11 01-08-2010, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Nconroe

Actually RFA's if drafted in mid to low rounds are a very good bargain. ie. you might get a starter and only give up a sixth round draft pick.

Huh?

Arky · #12 01-08-2010, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by nero THE zero

Huh?

I think he means:

"Actually RFA's if originally drafted in mid to low rounds are a very good bargain. ie. you might get a starter and only give up a sixth round draft pick. "

superbowlbound · #13 01-09-2010, 12:05 PM

Exactly. IE. Kevin Walter for a 7th rounder.

nero THE zero · #14 01-11-2010, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Arky

I think he means:

"Actually RFA's if originally drafted in mid to low rounds are a very good bargain. ie. you might get a starter and only give up a sixth round draft pick. "

That still doesn't make sense.

Nconroe · #15 01-11-2010, 02:51 PM

okay, the discussion might go as follows

- let's say you really need a starting free safety.

- you might draft , you might trade, you might get RFA, or UFA.

If you draft, likely take 2-3 years to develop as a good starter.

So, trade, RFA, or UFA if you need a starter.

If you get an UFA who is really good, he will want top money, many teams will be bidding on him, say $8mm or atleast $5MM plus some bonus for signing and several years.

If you get a RFA from another team who was say drafted in sixth round, you could make him an offer for say $3mm, a big raise , as he is likely only make 750k. If his current team doesn't match you have a good starter with expereince for 3MM per year and a sixth round draft pick.

or something like that.

nero THE zero · #16 01-11-2010, 03:48 PM

That's not how RFA works. The draft pick you would have to give for the player is based on the tender his respective team puts on him, not where he was drafted.

NBT · #17 01-11-2010, 05:08 PM

So.....if we put a first round tag on dRob and he then resigns with us, we have to pay him 10mil again? That would suck bigtime. We sure as heck won't get two first round picks for him.

Keith · #18 01-11-2010, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by NBT

So.....if we put a first round tag on dRob and he then resigns with us, we have to pay him 10mil again? That would suck bigtime. We sure as heck won't get two first round picks for him.

The f-tag pricetag at corner is actually estimated to be a few hundred thousand LESS in 2010, but for Dunta, that won't matter. He would get 120 percent of his 2009 salary if tagged again this year, or roughly $11.948 million.

Roy P · #19 01-11-2010, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by nero THE zero

That's not how RFA works. The draft pick you would have to give for the player is based on the tender his respective team puts on him, not where he was drafted.

I wonder what the Colts are going to put on Antoine Bethea? He was a 6th round pick from Howard.

Roy P · #20 01-11-2010, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NBT

So.....if we put a first round tag on dRob and he then resigns with us, we have to pay him 10mil again? That would suck bigtime. We sure as heck won't get two first round picks for him.

Currently I'm happy with a pick in the top 70. Let somebody else pay Dunta, while I roll the dice on drafting a CB like Syd'Quan Thompson, Brandon Ghee, Trevard Lindley, Donovon Warren, Javier Arenas, or Kyle Wilson.

Can we put the "Transition Tag" on Dunta after Franchising him last season? What type of compensation would that garner in terms of picks?