The Halfback Pass vs. the Jags

WMH · #1 12-06-2009, 03:14 PM

OK, I was not a big fan of this discussion until today. We are toast, the fat lady is singing, and we need to find someone with enough freaking intelligence to NOT let Chris Brown throw a f*cking HB pass in a crucial game. I mean GEEZ, what they hell are you thinking. Taking the ball out of Schaub and AJ's hands? That alone should get him shown the door tomorrow. PERIOD.

Unfreaking believable......

barrett · #2 12-06-2009, 03:15 PM

Does anyone still think Kubiak should be employed by us next year? Every time there is a key play in a game we crumble.

I honestly hope this was the final nail in the coffin. I am a big Kubiak fan and I think he did a great job of fixing our franchise after the Capers fiasco, but it is clear we go no further with him.

Big Texas · #3 12-06-2009, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by barrett

Does anyone still think Kubiak should be employed by us next year? Every time there is a key play in a game we crumble.

I honestly hope this was the final nail in the coffin. I am a big Kubiak fan and I think he did a great job of fixing our franchise after the Capers fiasco, but it is clear we go no further with him.

The fact that that play made it onto the field was mind boggling.

barrett · #4 12-06-2009, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Texas

The fact that that play made it onto the field was mind boggling.

I didn't think it was possible for us to invent a whole new way to lose, but a Chris Brown interception on FIRST and goal proved me wrong. Seriously, how does that call get made on first down? It's a bad call on 3rd down, but on first down it is criminal. Someone should get fired on Monday for that one.

Big Texas · #5 12-06-2009, 03:31 PM

First of all that play should've never even made it onto the field. Secondly whomever called that play should be fined for even considering it.

"How about the HB pass coach?"

"What? Get the hell outta here. Don't bother showing up Monday either, cuz obviously you are here to sabotage us"

TheMatrix31 · #6 12-06-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by barrett

Does anyone still think Kubiak should be employed by us next year? Every time there is a key play in a game we crumble.

I honestly hope this was the final nail in the coffin. I am a big Kubiak fan and I think he did a great job of fixing our franchise after the Capers fiasco, but it is clear we go no further with him.

After today....this is what I feel. I love what Kubiak has done, and I like HIM on the sidelines, but....its been unacceptable.

Mike · #7 12-06-2009, 03:51 PM

It was a stupid call because it did not work. Now, if that was the Jags, and it was MJD, I bet the pass would have been completed.

The Dolphins are kicking themselves in the ass, they tried that with Ricky Williams 2 weeks ago, and they lost a similiar game. I think sometimes OC's try to get to smart, instead of letting the best players make the plays.

Big Texas · #8 12-06-2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike

It was a stupid call because it did not work. Now, if that was the Jags, and it was MJD, I bet the pass would have been completed.

The Dolphins are kicking themselves in the ass, they tried that with Ricky Williams 2 weeks ago, and they lost a similiar game. I think sometimes OC's try to get to smart, instead of letting the best players make the plays.

I have replayed it over and over again. I cannot see why he threw that ball. If you are gonna call that play, it should be drilled into the RB's head "if it is not there don't throw it"

Big Texas · #9 12-06-2009, 04:00 PM

The problem is our OC trying to do things he is not accustomed to. Kyle is not known for his aggressive and creative play calling. He gets by on throwing short slants and play action passes. Why now try to get cute? That cute shit didn't even get you there to begin with.

barrett · #10 12-06-2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike

It was a stupid call because it did not work. Now, if that was the Jags, and it was MJD, I bet the pass would have been completed.

The Dolphins are kicking themselves in the ass, they tried that with Ricky Williams 2 weeks ago, and they lost a similiar game. I think sometimes OC's try to get to smart, instead of letting the best players make the plays.

It's a stupid call because it's first down. I think you are better off running that play from the 20 or so since it gives room for the Defense to get sucked up, but if I am going to run it on the goalline, I definitely don't do it on 1st down. Take a shot or two trying to put the ball into the endzone before you take a big risk there.

TheMatrix31 · #11 12-06-2009, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by barrett

It's a stupid call because it's first down. I think you are better off running that play from the 20 or so since it gives room for the Defense to get sucked up, but if I am going to run it on the goalline, I definitely don't do it on 1st down. Take a shot or two trying to put the ball into the endzone before you take a big risk there.

And even THEN it'd still be f'n stupid. I'm sick of Chris Brown and his BS. He's cost us two games. Loser should have never been signed or retained to begin with.

Big Texas · #12 12-06-2009, 04:06 PM

I don't know the full story, but we left Jacoby because he was late to a meeting?

If so, that's some bullshit. I guess that missed meeting may have cost him his job. There were definitely some opportunities for punt returns.

TheMatrix31 · #13 12-06-2009, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Texas

I don't know the full story, but we left Jacoby because he was late to a meeting?

If so, that's some bullshit. I guess that missed meeting may have cost him his job. There were definitely some opportunities for punt returns.

Meh. That guy is just as likely to do something incredibly ridiculous as he is likely to do something positive.

sinnister · #14 12-06-2009, 04:24 PM

It was one of the worst calls I have ever seen. And please, why don't we throw AJ a few freaking screens......I mean, really. The best player on our team. Please.

gunn · #15 12-06-2009, 04:48 PM

Mediocre teams always seem to find ways to lose games. That's the case with this Texans team.

coloradodude · #16 12-06-2009, 04:52 PM

Gadget plays are either used by a good offense and its playmakers to screw with a defensive coordinators head or are used by a bad offense to attempt to mask its inadequacies.

popanot · #17 12-06-2009, 04:52 PM

I've said time and time again this staff runs the wackiest of plays when in the redzone it's mind-numbing. I've never seen anything like it in all the years I've been watching football. This was not only the wackiest of them all, it should be the one that gets Kubiak and his merry band of idiots a free ride out of town on the circus bus. Inexcusable.

To have Chris Brown getting most of the PT at this point in the season, Kubiak's career, and the Texas existence is mind-boggling . Kubiak's had 4 years to find a RB and has given us the likes of Samkon Gado, Ron Dayne, a crippled Ahman Green and now Chris Brown as starters. Moats fumbles once and goes into Kubiak's doghouse, while the dumb@ss lets Brown continue playing after blowing 2 games and doing virtually nothing to merit getting the amount of time and carries he gets. I don't get it and it's time for this staff to go away. Please, McNair, for my sanity - spare us!!!

gunn · #18 12-06-2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by coloradodude

Gadget plays are either used by a good offense and its playmakers to screw with a defensive coordinators head or are used by a bad offense to attempt to mask its inadequacies.

If I could pinpoint one reason, it would probably be because of the finesse scheme and personel on the offensive side of the ball.

Joshua · #19 12-06-2009, 05:52 PM

I'm actually not sure what is worse, the play call or the fact that they obviously weren't prepared to run the play. If you are going to have a HB option play in your playbook, you damn well better have practiced it to the point where the back knows what to do if the play isn't there. Clearly, Chris Brown didn't. He should have eaten it and just taken the loss. Trying to throw the ball while being hit is inexcusable and I blame Kubiak for not coaching them up to know what to do if the play goes astray. Just the latest in a long list of indicators that Kubiak doesn't take care of the little things and doesn't have what it takes to prepare a team to play week in and week out.

TexanJedi · #20 12-06-2009, 06:41 PM

It was a bad call with even worse execution (is it not called a half back OPTION pass?, meaning Brown has the option to not throw it), but it did not cost us the game by itself. The defense held and the Texans got the ball back and scored a TD - nice play call to the offensive machine Chris Brown on the two point conversion attempt. The Texans loss had more to do with the inability to stop the Jaguar offense when it counted the most, on 3rd down and at the end of both halves. This particular play cost us more time than anything.