Looking at Tight End Contracts

dadmg · #1 10-16-2009, 03:48 PM

This recurring feature from J.J. Halsell over at Football Outsiders looks at the top ten contracts for a position, which is of interest to us as he hit tight end this week. There's a brief paragraph at the end discussing Daniels, but I found more interesting how much the tight end market has rapidly escalated in recent years. Everyone knows the Kellen Winslow contract from this past offseason, but just as big a culprit might be...Daniel Graham?? Interesting article and if you want an idea of what we would have to pay OD, look at the table at the end.

http://footballoutsiders.com/under-c...ten-tight-ends

NBT · #2 10-16-2009, 04:34 PM

So, where would that put O.D. In about the 2.5M/yr category? We could live with that couldn't we? I don't think we should just lose him.

HPF Bob · #3 10-16-2009, 05:16 PM

Good thing this is a football forum or who knows what a thread with this title might be about.

Roy P · #4 10-16-2009, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by NBT

So, where would that put O.D. In about the 2.5M/yr category? We could live with that couldn't we? I don't think we should just lose him.

Looking at the stats and the chart, Daniels is worth $5M/yr and would be foolish to take less. Some team will give it to him, I'm not sure we should necessarily be the ones to do it. Considering the CBA talks and the leverage the team has, I'd try to make a deal now like Witten has and see if he takes it.

RNK-Name----------yrs-Grnt---G/Yr---Grt%--Tot--Avg/y--3yrTot
8 Witten, Jason DAL-6- $12.0m-$2.0m-43.5%-$27.6m-$4.6m-$15.0m
9 Heap, Todd BAL---6--$11.0m-$1.8m-40.0%-$27.5m-$4.6m-$14.8m

Fonz the Boss · #5 10-17-2009, 02:30 AM

Owen Daniels is a made product of the system. Any of the tight ends on the roster can rack up similar numbers if they were to take OD's spot. Thats why I was hoping we could trade him to improve our secondary.

kRocket · #6 10-17-2009, 05:56 AM

I am not sure the above statement is true or not but I think we ought to trade him now for the betterment of the team. We could give the team a lot more help for that money IMO.
Or maybe he is just gone at the end-of-the-year for nothing.

TheMatrix31 · #7 10-17-2009, 07:25 AM

Owen Daniels is CRUCIAL to our offense. I've counted WAY too many times where the guy's just come up absolutely huge. Once you have a guy like him that Schaub has developed a connection with, you just don't get rid of him. Third and three? Daniels will get it. Second and 12 with everyone covered? Daniels will get it.

Let's just hope his fumbleitis from a couple years ago doesn't prop up and cost us a game now.

NBT · #8 10-17-2009, 06:38 PM

No one is irreplaceable (at least not on the Texans). And I'm not at all sure O.D. is worth $5M big ones a year. Dreeson is starting to come in to his own, and the two rookies Casey and Hill will only get better. I think O.D. is gone after this year unless he just wants to play here and will settle for less.

kRocket · #9 10-18-2009, 11:42 AM

His value to a contender might be at an all-time high right now. Maybe a DT or CB or S or all of the above would be available now or we get nothing at all. I don't this team with Schaub at the helm is ever going to cross the line. Matt is a good guy, and a good quarterback. But, in my opinion he is never going to get us to the promise land. Oh well, that is another story.

Big Texas · #10 10-18-2009, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kRocket

His value to a contender might be at an all-time high right now. Maybe a DT or CB or S or all of the above would be available now or we get nothing at all. I don't this team with Schaub at the helm is ever going to cross the line. Matt is a good guy, and a good quarterback. But, in my opinion he is never going to get us to the promise land. Oh well, that is another story.

WOW!!! After today...

NBT · #11 10-18-2009, 03:54 PM

Yeah Big T, but the writing is on the wall. They can only keep one of the two, either O.D., or Mr. Robinson. With 3 other TE's ( Casey, Dreeson, and Hill), which of the two do you think they will keep, and who do you think they will try and trade? My guess is it has to be O.D.

Big Texas · #12 10-18-2009, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by NBT

Yeah Big T, but the writing is on the wall. They can only keep one of the two, either O.D., or Mr. Robinson. With 3 other TE's ( Casey, Dreeson, and Hill), which of the two do you think they will keep, and who do you think they will try and trade? My guess is it has to be O.D.

I agree it is a hard decision. At first I was on the train that thought that OD could be replaced; he was "merely a product of the system". But this guy is running some great pass pattern and making some spectacular catches; consistently. IMO he is a legitimate probowler. Not just because of today. He does all the time.

With that said, I feel a Phillip Rivers/Drew Brees situation arising. SD decided to go with their draft pick. Granted Rivers has been solid, but Brees has been elite since he's left. Did you see him torch NYG?

I guess if it were up to me I would demand top value for OD, especially if he makes the pro bowl. I'm talking first round. I know it seems pretty lofty, but Chicago just gave up a 2nd for "bust" Gaines Adams. I am sure we could find another sucker. No late round picks.

Maybe we move up to take Taylor Mays?

Nconroe · #13 10-18-2009, 08:51 PM

Well, the trading deadline is coming up this Tuesday I think. I think our coaches are in a need to win season, so I doubt OD or DR get traded, unless it is for a super difference maker DT and or OG or RB or FS , maybe. Maybe they acquire one of those, especially a dominant DT anyways if possible. I guess if OD and DR are good in the clubhouse, its uncapped year, if they sign for a fair amount because Texans are now a winner, keep em. If someone has lost it with the teammates or coaches then maybe gone.

kRocket · #14 10-18-2009, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Texas

WOW!!! After today...

Well, actually I wrote that before he played today. However, my feelings haven't really changed. He is a good quarterback and if things go his way he has a game like today, but if the team goes the other way like last week he is incapable of making a difference, it appears. That is why he has incredible stats until he hits the red zone but after that not so good.

I don't think he can take the Texans to the SB or deep into the Playoffs. Just my two cents.

popanot · #15 10-19-2009, 07:29 AM

What team out there would give the Texans what they would want for OD, which I assume would be a #1 or #2? I don't see any... Maybe for a player and a mid-to-low round pick, but depending on the player, I'm not sure that really helps the team this year or beyond.

I think TexanJedi brought up trading for Glenn Dorsey. I could see a fit with OD and the Chiefs, but does Dorsey help us? Would you do that??

nunusguy · #16 10-21-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by popanot

What team out there would give the Texans what they would want for OD, which I assume would be a #1 or #2? I don't see any... Maybe for a player and a mid-to-low round pick, but depending on the player, I'm not sure that really helps the team this year or beyond.

I think TexanJedi brought up trading for Glenn Dorsey. I could see a fit with OD and the Chiefs, but does Dorsey help us? Would you do that??

Even though the trading deadline has passed, this is a subject which will probably will be carried over to the 2010 Draft & Offseason in general.
With Dressen, Casey, & blocking-TE Hill besides OD, we are really "too deep" at TE and with this over-commitment of precious resources at a single posiiton we should be able to part with OD for the right price, which has got to be nothing less that a high 2nd round pick or the equivalent in a combo of players/lower round pick(s).
OD just gets better and better all of the time and his performance yesterday was one of his best, but his market value may get too high for us to keep
him given the needs we have elsewhere, especially on defense ?

WMH · #17 10-21-2009, 11:47 AM

Correct me if I am wrong, but if no CBA is reached (which appears unlikely) both OD & Demeco will be RFA's next year. I would assume that they would be tendered the max & we have a chance to match whatever offer they get. If I am right, then why should they do anything? He/they wouldn't be able to leave without compensation & they could get them cheaper for another year.
Do that, negotiate a "fair" deal for Dunta (not bank breaking), and live happily ever....for another season.

NBT · #18 10-21-2009, 02:58 PM

Correct me if I am wrong, but with no CBA next year Robinson and Daniels would no longer be tethered to the Texans and could sign with whom they please for whatever deal they could get, and no compensation for us. Is that not so? I would really hate to lose both of them.

WMH · #19 10-21-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by NBT

Correct me if I am wrong, but with no CBA next year Robinson and Daniels would no longer be tethered to the Texans and could sign with whom they please for whatever deal they could get, and no compensation for us. Is that not so? I would really hate to lose both of them.

Not sure about Daniels, but I remember the media saying that DRob could be franchised again, but with a 10% raise. I think Demeco & OD fall into the same category.....whatever that category is.

cadams · #20 10-23-2009, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by NBT

Correct me if I am wrong, but with no CBA next year Robinson and Daniels would no longer be tethered to the Texans and could sign with whom they please for whatever deal they could get, and no compensation for us. Is that not so? I would really hate to lose both of them.

as far as ryans and daniels, there could be a risk to that if the team who made an offer put a poison pill in the contract that would make it impossible for the texans to match. i think you have to get those guys signed asap