Glen Dorsey

[TexanJedi]

I know, I don't want to be Mr. Trade-prognosticator-guy, but I was watching NFL Network last night and they said he might be available for trade. Now I do not know all of the cap implications etc. (he would still have at least 3 years left on his current deal I think), but from a talent standpoint he could help to fill that DT slot next to Amobi. He is miscast in KC now that they have switched to a 3-4 defense, though oddly enough they talked about him going to San Diego to play nose tackle (no trade would happen with a division rival I assume). I guess the first question is could such a trade even be feasible from a salary cap standpoint? Secondly, would you, assuming the cap numbers can be worked out, trade a pick or two for this guy and if so what would it take to get him?

Roy, our resident personnel guy, what was your take on him coming out of college?

Yes, we should be more concerned about fixing the running game on offense but this could be an opportunity to address another need. Anytime a team gets a chance to upgrade their defensive front 7 I think they should do it.

[Mike]

I'd be really cautious about trading picks at this juncture. If the season bombs and there are coaching changes, then we might be stuck with a high priced player who is again miscast, and we would be without draft picks.

Trades mid season in the NFL seem to have little impact, although Braylon Edwards had a great game, but more often they seem to be Roy Williams like.

I think we dance with who we have, and let the chips fall where they may. Either we are going to get this group playing consistent and will be OK and the current regime stays (which I hope), or the season bombs and we have a new staff with one extra pick from the Johnson trade.

[nunusguy]

For 2 straight years Dorsey was basically considered the best defensive player in the best college conference in the country, and many felt he was the best playing going into the 2008 Draft ? But he was a disappointment by all reports in his rookie year (last year) at KC even though they were still in the 4-3 at that time.
As far as him fitting in here, if I'm not mistaken he's basically a 3-technique type DT like Okoye and is not the big run stopping Nose type tackle we need so badly in our defense ?

[coloradodude]

You guys heard Merriman is available too. A trade for a player with a name will cost us dearly I think.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

For 2 straight years Dorsey was basically considered the best defensive player in the best college conference in the country, and many felt he was the best playing going into the 2008 Draft ? But he was a disappointment by all reports in his rookie year (last year) at KC even though they were still in the 4-3 at that time.
As far as him fitting in here, if I'm not mistaken he's basically a 3-technique type DT like Okoye and is not the big run stopping Nose type tackle we need so badly in our defense ?

Actually!

"Dorsey struggled in his rookie season, but so do a lot of highly drafted defensive linemen. In fact, Dorsey's struggles might have been overstated, at least when it comes to playing the run. Dorsey made his average run tackle last season after a gain of just 1.5 yards, the best figure of any of the Chiefs' defensive linemen.

His biggest problem has been getting pressure on the QB. But he was injured most of the year. I think he would be a great addition to our defense. The only reason they are thinking of trading him is because of the switch to the 3/4. He doesnt fit so its jsut a bad situation for them. Remember Mario didnt blow anyone away his first year either. We should be taking a long hard look at him if these rumors are true.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by coloradodude

You guys heard Merriman is available too. A trade for a player with a name will cost us dearly I think.

Merriman was never considered by the Texans during the draft process. He has to much off field baggage, and the Tequila incident does not help, nor does the steroids, injury and lack of production. No thanks.

[sinnister]

I would give Dorsey a shot, depending on the asking price of course. As far as college went, he was considered the best DL coming out. He had outstanding production at LSU, despite facing constant double teams, and when LSU needed a big stop, he often provided it. Of course, that is college. I always thought he would fit well on this defense, but is going to need a little more time. Also, he played through a lot of injuries in college, so there is concern about him being injured a lot. Again, if the price is right, I bite.

[TexanJedi]

Thanks for the input guys.

They did mention him playing currently in the 5 technique but being better at the 3 technique which if true would make him redundant with Amobi. Their mention of him playing the nose in a 3-4 for someone like San Diego got me thinking he could play next to Okoye and give us two good young tackles like Jacksonville used to have with Stroud and Henderson. I do think we need a better option next to Okoye and maybe a guy can be gotten in the draft (Cody or Vince O????? from Duke or the like)

I do agree it's a risk to give up any picks, assuming that is what KC is looking for, since this season is in flux. i want to see Kubiak and the Texans make that leap from mediocre to good, but if they lose a couple in a row it could all go south rather quickly meaning giving up a higher pick than originally thought. If we had a more stable regime in the sense of them (Kubiak and/or Smith) not being on the hot seat then maybe a trade makes more sense.

[Nconroe]

Glen Dorsey listed at 6'1", 297 lbs. 24 yrs old, in 5 games this year, 12 solo tackles, 3 assists, no sacks, 1 pass defensed. not overwhelming production in the second year so far.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by Nconroe

Glen Dorsey listed at 6'1", 297 lbs. 24 yrs old, in 5 games this year, 12 solo tackles, 3 assists, no sacks, 1 pass defensed. not overwhelming production in the second year so far.

Hes also playing out of position in a 3/4. DE's that play in 3/4 dont get many tackles. Their job is to tie up blocks and allow the LB's to make plays.

Last year while playing in a 4/3 despite playing with several nagging injuries Dorsey Registered 50 tackles (41 solo), a sack (-1.0 yard), one pass defensed and a forced fumble. The only player on our DL with better stats than that was Mario with 53 tackles and 44 solo. Next in line, Travis Johnson with 28 and 22.

[Nconroe]

Doesn't sound like a big NT to me, more like what we hope Okeye will be in a couple years when he's 24 years old. When I think of big DT I think like 6'5", not 6'1" and 325 lbs not 297 lbs. His tackle nos are reasonable good for a rookie overall. Upgrade, not sure. If our defense plays more consistent like it did in second half against Arizona, need to wait and see a little, maybe this isn't a place to panic at right now. Anyways, just my opinion.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by TexanJedi

Roy, our resident personnel guy, what was your take on him coming out of college?

I liked/like him as a rotation guy. Dorsey, Cody, Okoye would be formidable in my opinion. In fact I'd be willing to trade Dunta Robinson for him, straight up.