March 15 Mock

[Roy P]

Okay, I was looking around for another 7 round mock because my board is getting stale.

http://www.thefootballexpert.com/mockdraft.html

This is what I came out with.
1. LB Clay Matthews USC
2. OC Eric Wood Louisville
3. DE Paul Kruger Utah
4. RB Andre Brown NC State
4. WR Mike Thomas Arizona
5. RB Glen Coffee Alabama
6. FS Chris Clemons Clemson
7. LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State

FA
DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon
SS Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St.

The "Football Expert" had us taking these guys....
1. LB Clay Matthews
2. S William Moore
3. RB Rashad Jennings
4. DT Ricky Jean-Francois
4. CB Captain Munnerlyn
5. WR Austin Collie
6. LB/S Stephen Hodge
7. QB John Parker Wilson

My biggest issues are with rounds 4-6

[idymoe]

This draft seems plausible. I'll play.

1. Clay Matthews

2. Robert Ayers

3. Paul Kruger

4. Mitch King

4. Andre Brown

5. Tyronne Green

6. Bear Pascoe

7. Jeremiah Johnson

One or two starters out of the 1st four picks, with the rest solid rotation guys. Andre Brown and Jeremiah Johnson could rotate in to take the load off Slaton and could be productive if they had to fill in for an injury. Green should be a very good backup for now and compete to start in a year or two. Bear Pascoe will knock the puddin' out of you and make tough catches over the middle and in the seam.

[jppaul]

1. Clay Matthews
2. Chung or Moore
3. Paul Kruger
4. Andre Brown
4. Brandon Tate
5. Ryan Palmer
6. Johnny Knox
7. Graham Cano

[HPF Bob]

I'm going to be a little "outside the box" here.

1. Vontae Davis - CB - Illinois. While Maualuga is probably my top choice here, I just don't know how he and Ryans fit in the same linebacking corps. Davis has Top 5 talent but needs the fire lit under him. Well, we have Mr. Intensity in Dunta Robinson to keep Davis focused. This pick does two things - Davis becomes insurance if Robinson can't be signed to a new deal or if Robinson simply can't come all the way back. And if Robinson *is* all the way back, you now have the best CB tandem in the NFL by 2012. Yeah, I know Jacque Reeves, Fred Bennett, yeah yeah. Given all the three-wides and four-wides out there, they'll all find work.

2. Robert Ayers - DE - Tennessee. Because (all together now) "we have to get to Peyton Manning".

3. Andy Levitre - G - Oregon St. The Steelers always take an OL around this part of the draft and it seems they've been doing okay lately. Levitre fits the ZBS well but if he lasts longer than four hours, you may need to see your doctor.

4a. Javon Ringer - RB - Michigan St. Slaton needs help and Ringer knows how to carry the load. Just hope he doesn't get his bell rung too often.

4b. Kaluka Maiava - OLB - USC. Hey look! We still got a USC linebacker!

5. Mike Wallace - WR - Mississippi. Runs deep, penetrating interviews, uh, I mean, pass routes.

6. Stephen Hodge - OLB - TCU. Throwing bodies at a weak position.

7. Moise Fokou - OLB - Maryland. More bodies at OLB. But, hey, with a name like that he'll be an instant fan favorite if he can make some big hits.

[painekiller]

My turn:
Trade 15 to Giants for #45 #60 + 2nd in 2010
45 William Moore, SS, Missouri
46 Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest
60 Eric Wood, C, Louisville
77 Rashad Jennings, RB, Liberty
108 Zach Follett, OLB, California
118 Kaluka Maiava, OLB, USC
144 Lydon Murtha, OT, Nebraska
175 Johnny Knox, WR, Abilene Christian
206 Ryan Purvis, TE, Boston College
I like the John Parker Wilson but do not fee lthey would really be serious about developing him.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

My turn:
Trade 15 to Giants for #45 #60 + 2nd in 2010
45 William Moore, SS, Missouri
46 Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest
60 Eric Wood, C, Louisville
77 Rashad Jennings, RB, Liberty
108 Zach Follett, OLB, California
118 Kaluka Maiava, OLB, USC
144 Lydon Murtha, OT, Nebraska
175 Johnny Knox, WR, Abilene Christian
206 Ryan Purvis, TE, Boston College

Well, if you are going to trade out of the first round, then this is what my current board would garner:

45. OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 310
46. SS William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226
60. DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 4 1/4" 263
77. RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 231
108. LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss 6' 2" 231
118. LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236
144. DE Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2" 248
175. RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212
206. FS Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208

FA DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon 6' 4" 300

Antonio Smith replaces Weaver, Kruger swaps with Bulman, Butler replaces Kalu. Harris competes with D. Robinson at NT. Jennings is the "big back" and Johnson pushes Moats.

McGrath is my WILL and Ellerbe is my SAM. Clemons allows Moore to play in the box.

Wood is higher on my board than most sites. I think only Mayock agrees with me on this projection. He can play RG or OC.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

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7. Moise Fokou - OLB - Maryland. More bodies at OLB. But, hey, with a name like that he'll be an instant fan favorite if he can make some big hits.

Yes can you imagine the whole stadium chanting FOK-U- FOK-U. Opposing players would get confused and think they were playing in Philly.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Well, if you are going to trade out of the first round, then this is what my current board would garner:

45. OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 310
46. SS William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226
60. DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 4 1/4" 263
77. RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 231
108. LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss 6' 2" 231
118. LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236
144. DE Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2" 248
175. RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212
206. FS Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208

FA DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon 6' 4" 300

Antonio Smith replaces Weaver, Kruger swaps with Bulman, Butler replaces Kalu. Harris competes with D. Robinson at NT. Jennings is the "big back" and Johnson pushes Moats.

McGrath is my WILL and Ellerbe is my SAM. Clemons allows Moore to play in the box.

Wood is higher on my board than most sites. I think only Mayock agrees with me on this projection. He can play RG or OC.

I would be thrilled with this draft.

[jppaul]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Well, if you are going to trade out of the first round, then this is what my current board would garner:

45. OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 310
46. SS William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226
60. DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 4 1/4" 263
77. RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 231
108. LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss 6' 2" 231
118. LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236
144. DE Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2" 248
175. RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212
206. FS Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208

FA DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon 6' 4" 300

Antonio Smith replaces Weaver, Kruger swaps with Bulman, Butler replaces Kalu. Harris competes with D. Robinson at NT. Jennings is the "big back" and Johnson pushes Moats.

McGrath is my WILL and Ellerbe is my SAM. Clemons allows Moore to play in the box.

Wood is higher on my board than most sites. I think only Mayock agrees with me on this projection. He can play RG or OC.

Found this on Ellerbe becuase I had some doubts at 236 whether he could stand up blockers, then I found this:

Strong and physical at the point of attack. Explosive taking on blockers and can shed blocks quickly. Changes directions well and is light on his feet. However does not show 'elite' range and needs to improve pursuit angles. Also struggles wading through traffic when trying to get to the football

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/...layer?id=24554

I dig that draft but I would trade Johnson for a wide reciever and the 7th pick for a punter.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

My turn:
Trade 15 to Giants for #45 #60 + 2nd in 2010.

Just thinking about the whole trade down scenario....

If the Jets are interested in a QB, much like the Bears, then we could trade down to Chicago's #18 so they could draft Mark Sanchez.

The Baltimore Ravens may also want to jump up the draft board to select a Maualuga, Maybin, or Harvin from # 26.

Lastly, Seattle may just want Josh Freeman enough to trade up from #37 to groom behind Hasselback. What might become a bidding contest between two NFC West teams, SF and Seattle (the 49ers offered #43).

What would the trade chart net us for 3 trade downs?

#15 = 1050 points

#18 = 900 points
#84 = 170 points

#26 = 700 points
#88 = 150 points
#123 = 49 points

#37 = 530 points
#68 = 250 points

#112 - 70 points We'd have to give up our 4th round pick to Seattle to make the deal work.

So, we get these picks on draft day to work with....

#37 (2)DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 2 7/8" 300
#46 (2)OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 310
#68 (3)SS Chip Vaughn Wake Forest 6' 1 3/8" 221
#77 (3)DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond 6' 2 3/8" 266
#84 (3)WLB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss 6' 2" 231
#88 (3)SLB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236
#122 (4)DE Kyle Moore USC 6' 5" 272
#123 (4)DT Roy Miller Texas 6' 1" 310
#152 (5)OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 304
#188 (6)RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212
#223 (7)CB Don Carey Norfolk State 5' 11" 192

I was using my draft board and the newest THR Computer mock to fill in the slots. Unfortunately I was unable to get RB Cedrick Peerman (#121) OR FS Chris Clemons (#172). However, overall I'd be pleased with this draft.
RDE#1 Antonio Smith - replaces Weaver
RDE#2 Kyle Moore - replace Bulman
NT Travis Johnson
NT Frank Okam
NT Roy Miller - replaces Robinson
DT Amobi Okoye
DT Ziggy Hood - replaces Zgonina
DT Shaun Cody - makes TJ expendable
LDE #1 Mario Williams
LDE #2 Lawrence Sidbury - Goodbye Kalu/Nading

I think the D-Line becomes very dynamic and stays fresh for 16 games.

Wood can play RG when Shipley is ready to play OC.

[HPF Bob]

We're not an expansion team any more. If we wound up with all those threes, we should package some of them to move back up for the exact player we want or for picks in 2010. You don't hold that many cards in your hand and wait for the guys you want to come to you. You look at who is the one you want most and then you move to get him.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

If we wound up with all those threes, we should package some of them to move back up for the exact player we want or for picks in 2010.

I actually wanted all those threes. I might package the 4's for another 3 and grab a RB like Rashad Jennings at #73.

I could also package the #188 and #223 for #172 for FS Chris Clemons.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

We're not an expansion team any more. If we wound up with all those threes, we should package some of them to move back up for the exact player we want or for picks in 2010. You don't hold that many cards in your hand and wait for the guys you want to come to you. You look at who is the one you want most and then you move to get him.

I generally agree with what you're saying. However, this year's draft is so freakin' good in the middle rounds and so weak in the 1st. That being said, if you have a reasonably talented team then it's fairly unrealistic to bring in that many rookies- there just aren't enough spots for them, in theory. That being said, with the depth of this draft and weakness at the top, I would probably rather choose 2 LBs (for instance) in the 3rd round and have an open competition in camp rather than trade up or stay at #15 in order to pick my top LB. I just really can't see any real talent dropoff from a player available at #12 to a player at #112.

Take RB, for instance: I think I'd rather have Moreno than Jennings or Shonn Greene but I'm not really sure why or if it's prudent.

[kRocket]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

Take RB, for instance: I think I'd rather have Moreno than Jennings or Shonn Greene but I'm not really sure why or if it's prudent.

I think it is fair to say that we had a few fourth quarter breakdowns last year and the year before. That may be due to our defense, but I also think it may be due to our offense, specifically, the part of the running game that gets tough yards inside the red zone and in the 4th quarter when you need to protect your lead. I am not convinced that the ZBS is the best way to go, but thinking we will probably stay with it, IMO we should beef up our oline and RB's. Slaton was more than we could have wished for last year, but I believe he could use some help. I am not sure of the status of C. Brown, but K. Moreno was created to be the big back in a ZBS. He is quicker than fast and has great vision. If he fell to us and our guys thought he was the BPA I would not recommend we pass on him unless we can trade down profitably.

Likewise, Mark Sanchez might fall to us and if he is a proper fit for the WCO could we possibly pass on him? If someone wants him more than we do, I could sure see us making a trade down and picking up some offensive linemen. like a center and a RG or RT, figuring to move Eric Winston to guard. I don't see us picking up a roadgrading RG like Duke Robinson or Herman Johnson but maybe there is someone who can play the ZBS.

The one player who might fall to us that could change our whole game plan is Percy Harvin. He is a great slot receiver type and why couldn't we run the 'wildcat' outselves. He made most of his yards from the RB position so that makes all kinds of options that would throw fear into the opposing DC.

The good news from this draft is that several good people will fall to us this year and we must think outside the box.

Just thoughts worth about a penny.