Upset with Dunta being upset

jaimeg · #1 02-20-2009, 08:37 AM

I don't know if any of you feel the same, but I am upset that Dunta is upset.

Did he expect the Texans to just let him walk?

Does he really want to be a Texan?

If I bought a 52 inch Flat Screen, I wouldn't leave it in an unlocked car!!!!

papabear · #2 02-20-2009, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jaimeg

I don't know if any of you feel the same, but I am upset that Dunta is upset.

Did he expect the Texans to just let him walk?

Does he really want to be a Texan?

If I bought a 52 inch Flat Screen, I wouldn't leave it in an unlocked car!!!!

He made it pretty clear that he was happy playing for 10 mill a year even though he wanted something longer term. He said he was upset about being lied to. It sounds to me like there was probably some misunderstanding, but if he was misled then he has a right to be upset.

nunusguy · #3 02-20-2009, 10:35 AM

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He made it pretty clear that he was happy playing for 10 mill a year even though he wanted something longer term. He said he was upset about being lied to. It sounds to me like there was probably some misunderstanding, but if he was misled then he has a right to be upset.

He basically said that Rick Smith lied to him, or lied to his agent.
I can kinda sympathize with him because he's the one most at risk here since all of his leverage is gone for future years negotiating if he suffers another bad injury this season while Smith & Kubiak can observe him along with the younger corners like Bennet & Mouldin in 2009 and then pick and choose at the end of the year (or during the '09 season if they so desire).
On the other hand 10M ain't chicken-feed and if it weren't for the lucrative industry known as the NFL which was conceived and developed by entrepreneurs who risked their own capital D-Rob would be pumpimg gas for a living (if he lived in Oregon).

painekiller · #4 02-20-2009, 11:42 AM

Wish I had desire to look it up again, but someone posted the % of players that are franchised that actually sign long term deals with the same team. The number of guys leaving the team is pretty high.

The players almost to a man get pi$$ed that they are franchised, and again it is not about today's money, but the risk is all on the player for tomorrow's money.

In Dunta's case the number appear to be pretty clear. $23M guarantee. Anything less then $20M and the team is bargain hunting.

Get a deal done.

jaimeg · #5 02-20-2009, 12:19 PM

If I had a dollar for every time a general manager lied, I'd have 20 million guaranteed!!!! What did he expect.

NBT · #6 02-20-2009, 01:01 PM

It is really hard for me to have any sympathy for these ballplayers who make more in one year than many of us make in our lifetimes. To say nothing of the cost of the tickets.

dalemurphy · #7 02-20-2009, 01:18 PM

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It is really hard for me to have any sympathy for these ballplayers who make more in one year than many of us make in our lifetimes. To say nothing of the cost of the tickets.

I don't think he was asking for anyone's sympathy. I was asked a question and answered it honestly. He said that he knows he's blessed to be making that kind of money but he's upset because he believes he was lied to by Rick Smith. What's wrong with that?

WMH · #8 02-20-2009, 01:55 PM

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I don't think he was asking for anyone's sympathy. I was asked a question and answered it honestly. He said that he knows he's blessed to be making that kind of money but he's upset because he believes he was lied to by Rick Smith. What's wrong with that?

Uh, he's not 10? IMO, him getting pissy is absolutely ridiculous. "He lied to me" Get a freaking clue Dunta. This was the only move that the Texans could have made that was sensible. If he really thought they would let him walk with no compensation, then he is an idiot. I can understand him worried about not getting his golden parachute, especially with a rebuilt knee, but come on.

Mike · #9 02-20-2009, 02:01 PM

I wonder if Dunta is lashing out becuase he did not get the extension done. I think we/he should let the dust settle and have his agent and Rick Smith get back to trying to get the long term deal done.

I am not going to get to excited about it right now.

Arky · #10 02-20-2009, 02:07 PM

Maybe if Dunta would've lowered his asking price a little the deal gets done? And then maybe Rick Smith isn't a liar? Hard to know what exactly went down behind the scenes.... just sayin'...

sinnister · #11 02-20-2009, 02:40 PM

None of my business really; however, if someone lied to me in a business deal, I would be through with them.

papabear · #12 02-20-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by WMH

Uh, he's not 10? IMO, him getting pissy is absolutely ridiculous. "He lied to me" Get a freaking clue Dunta. This was the only move that the Texans could have made that was sensible. If he really thought they would let him walk with no compensation, then he is an idiot. I can understand him worried about not getting his golden parachute, especially with a rebuilt knee, but come on.

Please, nobody likes being lied to, even when we expect it(like from Lawyers or insurance companies

). In todays market Dunta knows that other CB's of his approximate skill level are getting 20+ million gauranteed. He said he's was blessed for 10 Mill this year, but if something happens to him then he's losing out that other potential 10+ MILL. Not to mention the fact. If he doesn't get F-Tagged then he knows he's getting that 23 mill this year from someone, if not the Texans. He might end up getting even more next year, but he knows first hand how quickly an NFL career could end. He felt like he was told that he was going to have the chance to collect now vs. later. There's no doubt in my mind that 99.9% of the people out there would be upset....especially since some freak injury could take away your chances of ever collecting the rest.

NFL players can get cut at any given time, but can't leave for greener pastures if they want to. The only thing they have is the guaranteed money in the contract. Now when a player signs a long term deal and then wants out of it a year later I think they should just shut up, but in this case I understand.

dalemurphy · #13 02-20-2009, 02:48 PM

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Uh, he's not 10? IMO, him getting pissy is absolutely ridiculous. "He lied to me" Get a freaking clue Dunta. This was the only move that the Texans could have made that was sensible. If he really thought they would let him walk with no compensation, then he is an idiot. I can understand him worried about not getting his golden parachute, especially with a rebuilt knee, but come on.

Did I miss something? like a press conference and a crying fit... Some reporters contacted him about the deal and he answered in honestly. I'm not sure what the big deal is.

I'm sure he understands why the Texans did it. He's just disappointed with it, especially since he was told (Rick Smith confirmed he told him) they wouldn't do it.

I don't get what you're reacting to.

WMH · #14 02-20-2009, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dalemurphy

I don't get what you're reacting to.

I am OVERREACTING to quotes that I read about someone being pissed about about getting $10MM for one year's worth of work.
This is why I could never be a GM.

I would tell him to kick rocks after making comments like that to the press.

papabear · #15 02-20-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by WMH

I would tell him to kick rocks after making comments like that to the press.

The comments that he's blessed to be making 10 million a year, but he doesn't like being lied too? Your right, you could never be a GM

jaimeg · #16 02-20-2009, 04:17 PM

According to the chronicle: An offer to make him one of the highest paid corners in football?

Rick Smith:
And so when they elected to exercise their right in declining our offer to make him one of the highest-paid corners in football, we exercised out option to tag him. It's part of the deal."

If this is true, then it seems like Robinson wants to be elsewhere.

nunusguy · #17 02-20-2009, 04:17 PM

INDIANAPOLIS — Texans general manager Rick Smith said today he did tell Dunta Robinson and agent Jason Chayut that he wouldn't designate the cornerback as the team's franchise player but changed his mind when they were unable to agree to a new contract.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6273258.html

dalemurphy · #18 02-20-2009, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by WMH

I am OVERREACTING to quotes that I read about someone being pissed about about getting $10MM for one year's worth of work.
This is why I could never be a GM.

I would tell him to kick rocks after making comments like that to the press.

I'll send you a check for $50 if you can show me a Dunta quote from yesterday or today where he expressing anger about "getting $10 million" for the '09 season. Come on.. let's see a quote and a source!

Perhaps instead of complaining so much about the character of others, you could have enough integrity to not blatantly misrepresent someone else's words- and then criticize them for your misrepresentation.

jppaul · #19 02-20-2009, 08:40 PM

With an uncapped year looming for 2010, everyone will be playing under an entirely different set of rules.

One rule creates a situation that makes it appear as if this year's franchised players have taken two steps forward and one back.
Franchise-tag recap
An NFL-record 14 players were franchise tagged this year. Adam Schefter breaks down the complete list, which includes Panthers defensive end Julius Peppers. More ...

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This offseason, franchise tags were handed out to unrestricted free agents Darren Sproles, Brandon Jacobs, Matt Cassel, Dunta Robinson, O.J. Atogwe, Leroy Hill, and Michael Koenen.

Each of these players completed their fourth year last season. But the collective bargaining agreement that eliminates the salary cap in 2010, also says that players do not get to become unrestricted free agents until their sixth season.

Thus, seven unrestricted free agents that were designated franchise players this offseason will revert back to be restricted free agents next offseason.

Now it's not entirely bad. The collective bargaining agreement says these franchised players will be entitled to a 10 percent raise in 2010. But they will not be allowed to become unrestricted free agents.

How odd, going from an unrestricted free agent to a restricted one. It is one of the many new rules to a different game the NFL will be playing.

Basically, what all this means is that Dunta could be Franchised this year, and then next year he would be an restricted free agent who could be tendered the top tender (which is significantly less than the franchise tag) like 2 million or something, then could franchised again at the standard average of top 5 corners, then he could be franchised again at a 20% pay increase, basically he wouldn't be eligible for free agency and a big contract until 2012 or four years away.

2009: Franchise (Avg. 5 highest)
2010: RFA (Highest tender)
2011: Franchise (Avg. 5 highest)
2012: Franchise (Avg. 5 highest + 20%).

Dunta is 26 right now, 27 before the season starts and could be 31 before he ever sniffs free agency, i.e. gets his big contract.

papabear · #20 02-20-2009, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jaimeg

According to the chronicle: An offer to make him one of the highest paid corners in football?

Rick Smith:
And so when they elected to exercise their right in declining our offer to make him one of the highest-paid corners in football, we exercised out option to tag him. It's part of the deal."

If this is true, then it seems like Robinson wants to be elsewhere.

Everythings relative. One of the highest paid could be top 20 in the NFL...It doesn't have to mean Clements/Asomugha money. There's plenty of grey area there. Until we know what the offer was there's no way to know.