[Speculation] Sage to the Jets?

[WMH]

Interesting read. The skinny of the article is: the Jets are screwed at QB, this is a weak QB class, the Jets want a vet, the Jets are in cap hell, and Sage is entering the last year of his contract.
It is also interesting how he points out that Rosencopter didn't do the Texans any favors with his play last year, and has hurt his trade value. But as fans, I am sure we already knew that........

Knowing that Schaub has been out some for two straight seasons, would you consider this?

Here's the link:

http://www.examiner.com/x-778-Housto...ge-to-the-Jets

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by WMH

Interesting read. The skinny of the article is: the Jets are screwed at QB, this is a weak QB class, the Jets want a vet, the Jets are in cap hell, and Sage is entering the last year of his contract.
It is also interesting how he points out that Rosencopter didn't do the Texans any favors with his play last year, and has hurt his trade value. But as fans, I am sure we already knew that........

Knowing that Schaub has been out some for two straight seasons, would you consider this?

Here's the link:

http://www.examiner.com/x-778-Housto...ge-to-the-Jets

5th rounder or better and I have to consider this.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by painekiller

5th rounder or better and I have to consider this.

We'd have to replace him... and, considering that we have thoughts of playoffs this season, we can't replace him with someone who's not ready. I don't see how we can trade Sage and get another backup and be better for it. If someone else is available like that, why wouldn't NYJets just go get him? And, because of Sage's knowledge and experience with our team, he has more value here than anywhere else, IMO.

[nero THE zero]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

We'd have to replace him... and, considering that we have thoughts of playoffs this season, we can't replace him with someone who's not ready. I don't see how we can trade Sage and get another backup and be better for it. If someone else is available like that, why wouldn't NYJets just go get him? And, because of Sage's knowledge and experience with our team, he has more value here than anywhere else, IMO.

What makes you confident that Sage could lead us to the playoffs? He's a turnover machine.

Further, if a team can't move its back-up QB for a draft pick then it's not in the position to be talking playoffs.

Fact is, Sage only has one year left on his contract, so if you can get a draft pick for him, you take a draft pick for him. You could replace him with Nall or a veteran like Losman or Boller. But, it's just not economical to hang onto a back-up just in case your starter gets hurt.

[Nconroe]

I guess both and many other QB's were turnover machines against Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Minnesota, Titans this past year.

Just to show how stats can be used, both Sage and Schaub had 10 interceptions, Schaub had 23 sacks and several of those had fumbles, team lost 12 of 28 fumbles. Rosenfelds only had nine sacks which included fumbles.

So, looks like Schaub had more than double losses than Rosenfelds over all, of course he played more, but also against some lesser opponenets. Then Sage rushes for 3.4 yds/att and Schaub for 2.2 per attempt.

And for passing , Rosenfels gets 8.2 per attempt compared to 8.0 per attempt for Schaub. Seems to me Rosenfels is nearly a starter, not really a backup. Perhaps the Rosencopter incident taught him a little on ball control. As some have pointed out, offensive line and recivers effect turnovers as well.

Then there is injuries, how many times has Rosenfels missed a game due to injury, likely many less than Schaub which ought to be worth some skill or luck or smarts or odds points somehow.

So, right now, I'd vote to keep Sage unless it is like a second round pick. And its offseason so gotta discuss something.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by nero THE zero

What makes you confident that Sage could lead us to the playoffs? He's a turnover machine.

Further, if a team can't move its back-up QB for a draft pick then it's not in the position to be talking playoffs.

Fact is, Sage only has one year left on his contract, so if you can get a draft pick for him, you take a draft pick for him. You could replace him with Nall or a veteran like Losman or Boller. But, it's just not economical to hang onto a back-up just in case your starter gets hurt.

You'd want Criag Nall starting 3-7 games for this team next year? Not me! And, Sage next year is better for this team than Bollers or Losman next year- both of whom will cost more than Sage.

By the way, I'm not suggesting that we are a playoff team with Sage playing in 16 games. I would suggest that this team could play well with Sage having to play four or five games. That's kind of the point. You say it's not economical to pay for a backup? Look at what NE has done... They're going to pay over $14 million to hold on to Cassel because they're afraid Brady won't be ready by week one. Now that's an expensive insurance policy by the best NFL franchise.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by nero THE zero

Fact is, Sage only has one year left on his contract, so if you can get a draft pick for him, you take a draft pick for him.

I'd trade Sage and turn around and draft John Parker Wilson to be the backup. Sage isn't going to be here forever, so let's get on with it. If Schaub goes down, we're done anyway.

Sage has one year left on this roster. He thinks he is a starter and could probably do that in the right situation. It's just not going to be in Houston. So, next year we will not have a backup and will be on the market looking for one if we just let Sage walk. Why not already have a guy in place getting groomed for that now?

The choice comes down to which is more important: insurance for Schaub this year or insurance for Schaub for the next 4 years?

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by Roy P

I'd trade Sage and turn around and draft John Parker Wilson to be the backup. Sage isn't going to be here forever, so let's get on with it. If Schaub goes down, we're done anyway.

Sage has one year left on this roster. He thinks he is a starter and could probably do that in the right situation. It's just not going to be in Houston. So, next year we will not have a backup and will be on the market looking for one if we just let Sage walk. Why not already have a guy in place getting groomed for that now?

The choice comes down to which is more important: insurance for Schaub this year or insurance for Schaub for the next 4 years?

I don't think it's an "either/or". I wouldn't mind using a middle round pick on a QB and letting him sit this year. I just don't think we need to trade Sage in order to do it.

[HPF Bob]

We passed up our chance to deal him last year for Minnesota's third. I said at the time his trade value would never be higher.

The Jets gave up their 3rd to get Favre so that trade bait is gone. I don't think the Jets will offer a 2nd and a 4th may not be worth giving him up. So if the Jets want him, they are going to have to get creative.

[WMH]

I think it really comes down to whether or not the Texan brass think that "giving up" the couple of games we assume Schaub is going to be out is enough for the possibility of an Adibi type of player, assuming we can get a 4th.

IMO, if we can get someone to split the games Schaub will be out, and we can pick up an Adibi type in the process, why the hell not? This regime has done pretty well with mid round picks, and I say the more the merrier.

[Roy P]

They could give me Dwight Lowery and their 5th round pick.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

I don't think it's an "either/or". I wouldn't mind using a middle round pick on a QB and letting him sit this year. I just don't think we need to trade Sage in order to do it.

With the amount of needs this team has, I do mind using a mid round pick on a QB if it is not an extra pick. When I'm talking about getting a backup, I'm talking about a real QB that I'd feel comfortable with, not another Alex Brink.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by nero THE zero

What makes you confident that Sage could lead us to the playoffs? He's a turnover machine.

Further, if a team can't move its back-up QB for a draft pick then it's not in the position to be talking playoffs.

Fact is, Sage only has one year left on his contract, so if you can get a draft pick for him, you take a draft pick for him. You could replace him with Nall or a veteran like Losman or Boller. But, it's just not economical to hang onto a back-up just in case your starter gets hurt.

It's plenty economical if he's not getting paid much.

If we got offered the 3rd rounder we turned down last year, I'd do it since he is in the last year of his contract. I doubt it happens, but that is what it would take for me to agree to getting worse next year.

[nero THE zero]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

You'd want Criag Nall starting 3-7 games for this team next year? Not me! And, Sage next year is better for this team than Bollers or Losman next year- both of whom will cost more than Sage.

By the way, I'm not suggesting that we are a playoff team with Sage playing in 16 games. I would suggest that this team could play well with Sage having to play four or five games. That's kind of the point. You say it's not economical to pay for a backup? Look at what NE has done... They're going to pay over $14 million to hold on to Cassel because they're afraid Brady won't be ready by week one. Now that's an expensive insurance policy by the best NFL franchise.

1. No I don't want Craig Nall starting 3-7 games. Do you want Sage starting 3-7 games for this team next year?

2. I said it's not economical to hang on to Sage when (a) he will not be with the team after the 2009 season regardless, and (b) we could get a draft pick in return for him. NE's situation only reinforces that; they are in position to trade Cassel for a very high draft pick. We won't get a 1st for Sage, but we need to get something while we can.

Originally Posted by Roy P

I'd trade Sage and turn around and draft John Parker Wilson to be the backup. Sage isn't going to be here forever, so let's get on with it. If Schaub goes down, we're done anyway.

Sage has one year left on this roster. He thinks he is a starter and could probably do that in the right situation. It's just not going to be in Houston. So, next year we will not have a backup and will be on the market looking for one if we just let Sage walk. Why not already have a guy in place getting groomed for that now?

The choice comes down to which is more important: insurance for Schaub this year or insurance for Schaub for the next 4 years?

Exactly.

[cadams]

There are plenty of serviceable backups available right now. I would trade Sage right now if I could without a second thought.

[BigBull]

Originally Posted by cadams

There are plenty of serviceable backups available right now. I would trade Sage right now if I could without a second thought.

X2
Of course that means no more bad ints from Sage. Oh well I guess I could live even though I would miss them so much.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by BigBull

X2
Of course that means no more bad ints from Sage. Oh well I guess I could live even though I would miss them so much.

I would love to see this list on inexpensive, easy-to-get backup QBs that don't throw picks!

[nero THE zero]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

I would love to see this list on inexpensive, easy-to-get backup QBs that don't throw picks!

Craig Nall's never thrown an interception.

Seriously though, do you know how ridiculous it sounds to sit here and plead how desperately we need our back-up QB? If you can't pawn your back-up anything for picks than you have no place talking playoffs, much less your back-up QB.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by nero THE zero

Craig Nall's never thrown an interception.

Seriously though, do you know how ridiculous it sounds to sit here and plead how desperately we need our back-up QB? If you can't pawn your back-up anything for picks than you have no place talking playoffs, much less your back-up QB.

how do you reach this conclusion? How are you equating the ability to trade a backup with being a playoff team? If anything the opposite would be true in that a playoff team is able to trade away draft picks to pick up role players needed in the short term.

This team and this staff are starting to feel pressure to win now. They don't get another free throw away year. So I don't see a deal going down unless it makes us a better team next year and no way does a 5th round pick do that.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by barrett

So I don't see a deal going down unless it makes us a better team next year and no way does a 5th round pick do that.

Really?

You don't think we could get a player who contributes in the 5th round? Or are you simply saying that we can't get a 5th round QB who would be as "dependable" as Sage? I think I could find a couple of 5th rounders who might compete for a starting position on this team, how sad is that?

Bear Pascoe
Matt Shaugnessy
Lawrence Sidbury
Corvey Irvin
Dannel Ellerbe
Cedric Peerman
AQ Shipley
CJ Spillman
Andy Kemp

Heck, Marlon Lucky is rated as undrafted and he'd probably add more into the W column than Sage.