Post Your Sleepers

[mussop]

Jarron Gilbert San Jose St DE43
Ian Campbell Kansas St DE 43
Maurice Evans Penn State DE43 OLB34

Vance Walker DT 6-2, 295 Georgia Tech
DeMarcus Granger DT 6-3, 305 Oklahoma
Sammie Lee Hill Stillman DT34 DT43
Khalif Mitchell East Carolina DT43 DT34
George Hypolite, DT, Colorado

James Casey Rice TE


Xavier Fulton Illinois OT
Curtis Crouch, OG, NC State;
Ryan Stanchek, OG, West Virginia
Ray Feinga BYU OG
Selvish Capers, OT, West Virginia
Greg Isdaner West Virginia OG

Bradley Fletcher, CB, Iowa
Ellis Lankster West Virginia CB

Kenny McKinley South Carolina WRF WRS
Darius Passmore Marshall WRF

Aaron Brown TCU RB
Gartrell Johnson, RB, Colorado State



Graham Gano Florida State P

Josh Mauga LB 6-2, 245 Nevada
Tyrone McKenzie South Florida OLB43
Mortty Ivy West Virginia OLB43
Kaluka Maiava USC OLB43
Josh Mauga Nevada ILB
Anthony Felder California ILB
Jasper Brinkley South Carolina ILB
Brian Toal Boston College OLB 43
Some of the players who dont get mentioned alot that are worth looking at IMO.

[painekiller]

How are you defining sleepers? 2nd day guys? Untalked about guys?

[mussop]

Originally Posted by painekiller

How are you defining sleepers? 2nd day guys? Untalked about guys?

players who dont get mentioned alot that are worth looking at.

[painekiller]

QB Curtis Painter, 6-4, 225, Purdue
QB Stephen McGee, 6-2, 215, Texas A&M
QB Dan LeFevour, 6-3, 225, Central Michigan
QB Todd Boeckman, 6-4, 245, Ohio State


RB Donald Brown 5-10 210 Connecticut
RB Rashad Jennings 6-1 232 Liberty
RB Mike Davis, 5-9, 212, South Carolina
RB Tyrell Sutton, 5-9, 200, Northwestern
RB Jeremiah Johnson, 5-9, 200, Oregon
RB Devin Moore, 5-9, 195, Wyoming
RB Kory Sheets, 5-11, 205, Purdue
RB Aaron Brown, 6-0, 200, TCU
RB Gartrell Johnson, 5-11, 230, Colorado State
RB Jacoby Jones, 5-10, 230, Baylor
RB Chris Ogbonnaya, 6-0, 225, Texas
RB Cedric Peerman 5-9 208 Virginia
RB Glen Coffee 6-1 204 Alabama
RB PJ Hill 5-11 236 Wisconsin

WR Jarrett Dillard, 5-10, 185, Rice

OC Max Unger, 6-5, 310, Oregon
OC Alex Mack, 6-4, 315, California
OC Jonathan Luigs, 6-3, 310, Arkansas
OC Antoine Caldwell, 6-3, 295, Alabama
OC Eric Wood, 6-4, 310, Louisville

DE Matt Shaughnessy, 6-5, 255, Wisconsin
DE/OLB Stryker Sulak, 6-5, 240, Missouri
DE David Veikune,6-2, 250, Hawaii
DE Robert Ayers, 6-2, 270, Tennessee
DE Michael Bennett, 6-4, 265, Texas A&M
DE Paul Kruger 6-5 265 Utah
DE Lawrence Sidbury 6-3 265 Richmond

DT B.J. Raji, 6-1, 335, Boston College
DT Ziggy Hood, 6-3, 295, Missouri
DT Mitch King, 6-3, 270, Iowa

OLB Kaluka Maiava 6-1 230 Southern Cal
OLB Clay Matthews, 6-3, 240, Southern California
OLB Dannell Elerbe, 6-1, 232, Georgia
OLB Clint Sintim, 6-2, 255, Virginia
OLB/DB Nic Harris, 6-2, 225, Oklahoma
OLB Zack Follett 6-2 238 California
LB Darry Beckwith 6-1 235 LSU

CB Victor 'Macho' Harris, 5-11, 192, Virginia Tech
CB Alphonso Smith, 5-9, 190, Wake Forest

DB Louis Delmas, 5-11, 200, Western Michigan
DB Rashad Johnson, 5-11, 190, Alabama
DB Patrick Chung, 5-11, 210, Oregon

This is pretty close to my list of guys I would not mind drafting. It is not in order. Not every player excluded is considered unworthy, I just may have missed them. Or they maybe someone I have no use for...

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

QB Dan LeFevour, 6-3, 225, Central Michigan
...

Hold up, I thought he was not coming out this year, or I'm putting him on my draft board.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by mussop

Vance Walker DT 6-2, 295 Georgia Tech
Greg Isdaner West Virginia OG
Kaluka Maiava USC OLB43

Some of the players who dont get mentioned alot that are worth looking at IMO.

DT Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn 6' 1" 295 4.93
LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243 4.74
LB Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 242 4.68
S C.J. Spillman Marshall 6' 0" 190 4.49

These are probably my favorites that I think don't get discussed enough.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Hold up, I thought he was not coming out this year, or I'm putting him on my draft board.

My bad, add him to my list for next year.

Took LeFevour off, added Brian Hoyer, 6-2, 212, Michigan State. Hoyer played at the Shrine game.

[painekiller]

I went back and watched the Shriners game and added some guys to my list. This is a deep RB draft, and we should take 2, forget the old beat up FA they are going to sign. A couple of late NTs are available and if you want to upgrade the LBs you will be able to in the middle of this draft.


QB Curtis Painter, 6-4, 225, Purdue
QB Stephen McGee, 6-2, 215, Texas A&M
QB Brian Hoyer, 6-3 215 Michigan St.
QB Todd Boeckman, 6-4, 245, Ohio State
QB Tom Brandstater, 6-5, 225, Fresno St.
QB Hunter Cantwell 6-5 236 Louisville

RB Donald Brown 5-10 210 Connecticut
RB Rashad Jennings 6-1 232 Liberty
RB Mike Davis, 5-9, 212, South Carolina
RB Tyrell Sutton, 5-9, 200, Northwestern
RB Jeremiah Johnson, 5-9, 200, Oregon
RB Devin Moore, 5-9, 195, Wyoming
RB Kory Sheets, 5-11, 205, Purdue
RB Aaron Brown, 6-0, 200, TCU
RB Gartrell Johnson, 5-11, 230, Colorado State
RB Jacoby Jones, 5-10, 230, Baylor
RB Chris Ogbonnaya, 6-0, 225, Texas
RB Cedric Peerman 5-9 208 Virginia
RB Glen Coffee 6-1 204 Alabama
RB PJ Hill 5-11 236 Wisconsin
RB Marlon Lucky 6-0 215 Nebraska
RB Javarris Williams 5-11 220 Tennessee State

WR Jarrett Dillard, 5-10, 185, Rice
WR Mike Thomas, 5-8, 195, Arizona
WR Sammie Stroughter, 6-0, 186, Oregon St
WR Darius Passmore 6-3 188 Marshall

TE Bear Pascoe 6-5 260 Fresno St

OC Max Unger, 6-5, 310, Oregon
OC Alex Mack, 6-4, 315, California
OC Jonathan Luigs, 6-3, 310, Arkansas
OC Antoine Caldwell, 6-3, 295, Alabama
OC Eric Wood, 6-4, 310, Louisville
OT Sebastian Vollmer 6-8 315 Houston

DE Matt Shaughnessy, 6-5, 255, Wisconsin
DE/OLB Stryker Sulak, 6-5, 240, Missouri
DE David Veikune,6-2, 250, Hawaii
DE Robert Ayers, 6-2, 270, Tennessee
DE Michael Bennett, 6-4, 265, Texas A&M
DE Paul Kruger 6-5 265 Utah
DE Lawrence Sidbury 6-3 265 Richmond
DE Nick Reed 6-2 248 Oregon
DE Phillip Hunt, 6-2 260 Houston

DT B.J. Raji, 6-1, 335, Boston College
DT Ziggy Hood, 6-3, 295, Missouri
DT Mitch King, 6-3, 270, Iowa
DT Jarron Gilbert 6-6 280 San Jose St.
DT Terrance Taylor 6-0 319 Michigan
DT Darryl Richard, 6-4 290 Georgia Tech
DT Myron Pryor, 6-1 310 Kentucky

OLB Kaluka Maiava 6-1 230 Southern Cal
OLB Clay Matthews, 6-3, 240, Southern California
OLB Dannell Ellerbe, 6-1, 232, Georgia
OLB Clint Sintim, 6-2, 255, Virginia
OLB/DB Nic Harris, 6-2, 225, Oklahoma
OLB Zack Follett 6-2 238 California
LB Darry Beckwith 6-1 235 LSU
LB Jason Phillips, 6-1 234 TCU
OLB Robert Francois 6-2 253 Boston College
LB Mortty Ivy, 6-3 236 West Virginia
LB Johnny Williams, 6-3 244 Kentucky
LB Jasper Brinkley, 6-2 275 South Carolina

CB Victor 'Macho' Harris, 5-11, 192, Virginia Tech
CB Alphonso Smith, 5-9, 190, Wake Forest
CB Brandon Underwood, 6-1 190 Cincinnati

DB Louis Delmas, 5-11, 200, Western Michigan
DB Rashad Johnson, 5-11, 190, Alabama
DB Patrick Chung, 5-11, 210, Oregon
DB Ryan Palmer, 5-10, 186, Texas
DB Ryan Mouton, 5-10, 180, Hawaii
DB Curtis Taylor, 6-3 204 LSU

[idymoe]

PK, your list isn't what I consider to be sleepers. B.J. Raji is probably going top 15, maybe top 10. Your list of centers are the top rated at their positions. I think a sleeper is a guy who turns out a lot better than where he is rated going into the draft. Ryans was a sleeper. At this point, Slaton was a sleeper. Diles - sleeper. Your qb list is obviously all potential sleepers by pretty much any definition.

A sleeper is a guy everyone misses on. He's the player that the guy that whines about management not drafting two years ago. The idiot Texans could have drafted Mister Wonderful, but passed him up to draft Mister Lead Feet. The only thing is, every other team passed him up, also. Three times.

This should be a short list that you think will make you proud someday. Like Roy said, everyone has these pet players they want to pimp.

I've already mentioned a couple of mine. Kory Sheets-RB and Jeremy Childs-WR. Both these guys go undrafted according to Draftek consensus. I'll add a couple of others that you guys have already mentioned. Jasper Brinkley -LB and Xavier Fulton-OT. Bear Pascoe-TE, also.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by idymoe

PK, your list isn't what I consider to be sleepers.

That is my complete list. Since I do not have one posted, I thought why not show the guys I am tracking here. Sorry for the confusion.

BTW I started tracking Raji and calling him a 1st rounder when the "experts" had him still in the 3rd round.

[mussop]

Victor Butler, Oregon State
Height: 6-2. Weight: 237.
Projected 40 Time: 4.60.
Projected Round (2009): 5.
1/10/09: Victor Butler had a monstrous senior campaign, finishing with 65 tackles, 21.5 TFL, 12 sacks and four forced fumbles.

12/6/08: A collegiate defensive end who will have to make the rough transition to linebacker. You can't question the numbers though; Butler has 54 tackles, 16.5 TFL and eight sacks.

These are the kind of LB's I would like to see us add in the later rounds.

Stryker Sulak, Missouri
Height: 6-5. Weight: 250.
Projected 40 Time: 4.65.
Projected Round (2009): 5-6.
1/9/09: A situational pass-rusher in the NFL, Stryker Sulak notched 15.5 TFL, 10.5 sacks, six passes broken up and six forced fumbles as a senior.

[Roy P]

Butler and Sulak are on my list, I'm just not confident that what they were able to do in college will translate to the NFL. That's why I'm looking for them in the 5th or 6th rounds.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Roy P

DT Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn 6' 1" 295 4.93
S Derek Peques Mississippi St. 5' 10" 193 4.49
CB Domonique Johnson Jackson St. 6' 2" 192 4.38
LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243 4.74
LB Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 242 4.68
S C.J. Spillman Marshall 6' 0" 190 4.49
LB Jason Williams W. Illinois 6' 1" 236 4.59

These are probably my favorites that I think don't get discussed enough.

Just to add one more guy I've been contemplating...

SS/LB Kevin Akins - Boston College - 6'2" 224lbs as a late round project who would become my Nickle OLB. He's pretty good in coverage and could probably add some weight to his frame. Should probably run a 4.53 or so at the Combine.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

This is a deep RB draft, and we should take 2, forget the old beat up FA they are going to sign.

RB PJ Hill 5-11 236 Wisconsin
RB Marlon Lucky 6-0 215 Nebraska

I'm still trying to get my head around why these two guys are ranked so low on most boards. If they run a 4.56, then I'm very intrigued by the possibility of what they could do in this offense. I'll also add Herb Donaldson to that list at 5'10" 222lbs.

[painekiller]

[QUOTE=painekiller;8043]
QB Curtis Painter, 6-4, 225, Purdue
QB Stephen McGee, 6-2, 215, Texas A&M
QB Brian Hoyer, 6-3 215 Michigan St.
QB Todd Boeckman, 6-4, 245, Ohio State
QB Tom Brandstater, 6-5, 225, Fresno St.
QB Hunter Cantwell 6-5 236 Louisville

RB Donald Brown 5-10 210 Connecticut
RB Rashad Jennings 6-1 232 Liberty
RB Mike Davis, 5-9, 212, South Carolina
RB Tyrell Sutton, 5-9, 200, Northwestern
RB Jeremiah Johnson, 5-9, 200, Oregon
RB Devin Moore, 5-9, 195, Wyoming 4.43
RB Kory Sheets, 5-11, 205, Purdue
RB Aaron Brown, 6-0, 200, TCU
RB Gartrell Johnson, 5-11, 230, Colorado State
RB Jacoby Jones, 5-10, 230, Baylor
RB Chris Ogbonnaya, 6-0, 225, Texas
RB Cedric Peerman 5-9 208 Virginia
RB Glen Coffee 6-1 204 Alabama
RB PJ Hill 5-11 236 Wisconsin
RB Marlon Lucky 6-0 215 Nebraska
RB Javarris Williams 5-11 220 Tennessee State

WR Jarrett Dillard, 5-10, 185, Rice
WR Mike Thomas, 5-8, 195, Arizona
WR Sammie Stroughter, 6-0, 186, Oregon St
WR Darius Passmore 6-3 188 Marshall

TE Bear Pascoe 6-5 260 Fresno St

OC Max Unger, 6-5, 310, Oregon
OC Alex Mack, 6-4, 315, California
OC Jonathan Luigs, 6-3, 310, Arkansas
OC Antoine Caldwell, 6-3, 295, Alabama
OC Eric Wood, 6-4, 310, Louisville
OT Sebastian Vollmer 6-8 315 Houston

DE Matt Shaughnessy, 6-5, 255, Wisconsin
DE/OLB Stryker Sulak, 6-5, 240, Missouri
DE David Veikune,6-2, 250, Hawaii
DE Robert Ayers, 6-2, 270, Tennessee
DE Michael Bennett, 6-4, 265, Texas A&M
DE Paul Kruger 6-5 265 Utah
DE Lawrence Sidbury 6-3 265 Richmond
DE Nick Reed 6-2 248 Oregon
DE Phillip Hunt, 6-2 260 Houston

DT B.J. Raji, 6-1, 335, Boston College
DT Ziggy Hood, 6-3, 295, Missouri
DT Mitch King, 6-3, 270, Iowa
DT Jarron Gilbert 6-6 280 San Jose St.
DT Terrance Taylor 6-0 319 Michigan
DT Darryl Richard, 6-4 290 Georgia Tech
DT Myron Pryor, 6-1 310 Kentucky

OLB Kaluka Maiava 6-1 230 Southern Cal
OLB Clay Matthews, 6-3, 240, Southern California
OLB Dannell Ellerbe, 6-1, 232, Georgia
OLB Clint Sintim, 6-2, 255, Virginia
OLB/DB Nic Harris, 6-2, 225, Oklahoma
OLB Zack Follett 6-2 238 California
LB Darry Beckwith 6-1 235 LSU
LB Jason Phillips, 6-1 234 TCU
OLB Robert Francois 6-2 253 Boston College
LB Mortty Ivy, 6-3 236 West Virginia
LB Johnny Williams, 6-3 244 Kentucky
LB Jasper Brinkley, 6-2 275 South Carolina

CB Victor 'Macho' Harris, 5-11, 192, Virginia Tech
CB Alphonso Smith, 5-9, 190, Wake Forest
CB Brandon Underwood, 6-1 190 Cincinnati

DB Louis Delmas, 5-11, 200, Western Michigan
DB Rashad Johnson, 5-11, 190, Alabama
DB Patrick Chung, 5-11, 210, Oregon
DB Ryan Palmer, 5-10, 186, Texas
DB Ryan Mouton, 5-10, 180, Hawaii
DB Curtis Taylor, 6-3 204 LSU

[mussop]

Originally Posted by Roy P

I'm still trying to get my head around why these two guys are ranked so low on most boards. If they run a 4.56, then I'm very intrigued by the possibility of what they could do in this offense. I'll also add Herb Donaldson to that list at 5'10" 222lbs.

Lucky comes with alot of baggage and a poor showing this last year. Hill doesnt have loose enough hips and bad leg drive.

[painekiller]

Watch this guy, Houston's Vollmer

He is someone we need to target. He can swing, he can be the guy who makes Winston or Brown move inside longterm.

Plus is below the radar right now.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Watch this guy, Houston's Vollmer

He is someone we need to target. He can swing, he can be the guy who makes Winston or Brown move inside longterm.

Plus is below the radar right now.

I saw him at the EastWest game. This is a guy who could potentially become a player like Michael Roos. The caveat being he has a long way to go.

[idymoe]

Couple of things. BSU had their pro day yesterday. Jeremy Childs ran a 4.47 and a 4.49 40. This is more in line to what I expected him to run from watching his football speed. He ran a 4.57 at the combine. He also did a 4.11 short shuttle, which is decent. As I mentioned before, this guy makes all the catches and gets separation. He was very instrumental in BSU's success this year. I really believe he is draft material, but whether he will be or not, I can't say.

Ian Johnson stayed with his combine 40 time and didn't run. He did do a 6.86 three-cone. Would have put him in top 5 rb at combine. Weighed 211.

Wyoming RB Devin Moore ran a 4.35 and 4.37 40 and did a 4.08 short shuttle and a 6.92 three-cone and 28 reps 225 bench.

http://blogs.nfl.com/category/pro-days/

I have been re-watching the East-West Shrine game, specifically watching Sebastian Vollmer. I haven't finished the game, but am into the 4th quarter. He has taken the majority of the snaps at right tackle. Most of the time he has been going against Lawrence Sidbury. He has had a few snaps against Myron Pyor and some snaps against Orion Martin. He has doubled the dt a couple of times on running plays. Sidbury has not come close to beating him at this time in the game. Orion Martin got close on a couple of speed rushes. Both of those plays were completed passes, one for a long touchdown in the 4th quarter, so, he did give the qb time. Vollmer has looked effortless all game. If Sidbury is any good, which I think is the consensus around here, then Vollmer would be a great pick-up if he is available in later rounds. I'll watch the rest of the game and give a follow-up on how he does in the rest of the 4th quarter. Nice call, PK & Roy.

[TexanJedi]

I liked what I saw of Bruce Johnson at the combine and here is a snippet from his Pro Day.

CB Bruce Johnson worked out just three days after running drills at the combine. He checked in at 5-foot-9 and 3/4 inch, weighing 167 pounds.

Johnson posted better times in most categories than he did in Indianapolis. He ran the 40-yard dash in 4.42 and 4.45 seconds, had a 38.5 inch vertical, a 10.4 inch long jump, a 4.03 inch short shuttle and a 6.92 second three-cone drill. Johnson did not do the bench press.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/02/27/miam...mbine-numbers/