We still Suck: last week was a mirage

[Big Texas]

Well we have found that our team still sucks.
Last week was a fluke.

Keys to the Loss:

We seem to play to the level of our competition every game.

We cant beat the teams we are supposed to beat.

kubiak outcoaches himself, his team, and everyone else except the other team

We stop a top ranked running game last week, and then get manhandled by a far worst O-Line and running game.

Johnny Lee Who?

4th and inches, on the 3 yd line down 11...

Andre Johnson thrown to 3 or 4 times for 1 completion and an interception.

All I can say is Wow

[barrett]

you are never as good as you look in your highs or as bad as you look in your lows. This concept may be lost in the current ESPN era of instant over-evaluation, but it is still true.

Bottom line is "we are who we thought we were." An average 8-8 (likely) team who wins and loses at an equal clip. Funny how a 16 game schedule has a way of balancing all of that out and generally letting us know how good a team is far more accurately than a hot (or cold) month/week.

[Big Texas]

our record indicates that we are an average team. But I would go a step further in saying that we are an underacheiving team. How else do account for beating potentially the best team in the NFL and losing to one of the worst teams the next week all factors constant. No key injuries to either team. The only factor that seems to differ here would be the rainy weather. (and it wasnt all that rainy or muddy)

[gunn]

Originally Posted by Big Texas

our record indicates that we are an average team. But I would go a step further in saying that we are an underacheiving team. How else do account for beating potentially the best team in the NFL and losing to one of the worst teams the next week all factors constant. No key injuries to either team. The only factor that seems to differ here would be the rainy weather. (and it wasnt all that rainy or muddy)

Because they're physically worn out from the Tennessee game. This is a finesse team that is just not built to stand up with the physical teams in the league in my opinion. They're just beat up and on top have to travel to the west coast and play in cold, wet conditions. Soft teams loose those games.

They need to get physical up front on the interior offensively and also at every level of the defense.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by gunn

Because they're physically worn out from the Tennessee game. This is a finesse team that is just not built to stand up with the physical teams in the league in my opinion. They're just beat up and on top have to travel to the west coast and play in cold, wet conditions. Soft teams loose those games.

They need to get physical up front on the interior offensively and also at every level of the defense.

They are soft and not built to play physical games like the Raiders but they are physical enough to beat the Titans??? That makes sense.

More likely they just went out and played an awful game. Every facet. They laid an egg. Bad coaching, bad offense, bad defense, terrible special teams. Flat across the board.

We've played harder and cared more than our opponents for the last month and today the opposite was true. A poor and inexcusable effort, but it has nothing to do with being "tired" from last week's game.

[TheMatrix31]

It's ok. If consistency is all we have to worry about, then that's a good thing. It's easier to work out the kinks once everything is laid out. Right now, we're there, we just have to work on it. A couple years ago, we weren't even close.

[gunn]

Originally Posted by barrett

They are soft and not built to play physical games like the Raiders but they are physical enough to beat the Titans??? That makes sense.

More likely they just went out and played an awful game. Every facet. They laid an egg. Bad coaching, bad offense, bad defense, terrible special teams. Flat across the board.

We've played harder and cared more than our opponents for the last month and today the opposite was true. A poor and inexcusable effort, but it has nothing to do with being "tired" from last week's game.

Hmm...

I think you missed the point. So you are telling me that playing a tough, physical contest against a team such as Tennessee has no impact on the players and the way the team plays the following week?

[nero THE zero]

Originally Posted by gunn

Because they're physically worn out from the Tennessee game. This is a finesse team that is just not built to stand up with the physical teams in the league in my opinion. They're just beat up and on top have to travel to the west coast and play in cold, wet conditions. Soft teams loose those games.

They need to get physical up front on the interior offensively and also at every level of the defense.

Yep. Not to mention the fact that our BYE week was way back in week 2. We were just tired, didn't get up for this game, and flat out got beat in all three phases of the game.

[Bigtinylittle]

I am completely with Barrett on this one. We are an average team right now. Oakland is a below average team. If the Tennessee Titans can lose to an average team on the road (Texans) then the Texans can lose to a below averave team (Raiders) without it meaning the Texans are a terrible team.

Some things I saw yesterday:

1. The Raiders were getting more pressure on the QB than we were. I take that to mean they wanted the game more than we did.
2. Asomuga or whatever his name is, probably is the best DB I have seen in a long time. I love that guy.
3.Slater ran tough all day. That impressed me.
4.I'm not going to complain if we draft a RB with our first or second pick.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by Big Texas

Well we have found that our team still sucks.
Last week was a fluke.

Keys to the Loss:

We seem to play to the level of our competition every game.

We cant beat the teams we are supposed to beat.

kubiak outcoaches himself, his team, and everyone else except the other team

We stop a top ranked running game last week, and then get manhandled by a far worst O-Line and running game.

Johnny Lee Who?

4th and inches, on the 3 yd line down 11...

Andre Johnson thrown to 3 or 4 times for 1 completion and an interception.

All I can say is Wow

Wah wah wah. You freakin' brat. Talk about a fair weather fan.

The defense sucked today, but that has been the case most of the year. Today does not diminish what this team has done coming back from 0-4, and showing some guts to come back, beat GB and beat TN. Am I happy today? No. But this had "trap" all over it. 4 game win streak, playing on the left coast and a bad opponent. It happens. Move on.

[Big Texas]

Originally Posted by Mike

Wah wah wah. You freakin' brat. Talk about a fair weather fan.

First of all I am in no way shape form or fashion a fair weather fan. I saw need for improvement in the Titans win and the Packers win. Call me pessimistic, but never fair weather.

Originally Posted by Mike

The defense sucked today, but that has been the case most of the year.

Wow, big discovery. So this point brings you to what conclusion. That the topic of this thread was true. We still suck.

Originally Posted by Mike

Today does not diminish what this team has done coming back from 0-4, and showing some guts to come back, beat GB and beat TN.

What did that prove? That we are a highly unpredictable and inconsistant team. Something we have been since our inception. Or does it prove that we "play to the level of our competition"? We dont blow out scrubs. But we put up a fight "sometimes" against major opponents. What other conclusion do you have? How do you define stopping one of the top running back tandems in the league, to getting killed by the raiders. Wow.

Originally Posted by Mike

Am I happy today? No. But this had "trap" all over it.

What is "this". You mean the thought that for once you could have a bullseye on your back after winning 4 straight and beating the best team in the league the previous week. Im sorry but it happens. Winners get used to it and still "WIN". Ask New England.

Originally Posted by Mike

4 game win streak, playing on the left coast and a bad opponent.

All of this equals a win, in my book.

Originally Posted by Mike

It happens. Move on.

As you suggest I have been moving on. Every season.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by Big Texas

First of all I am in no way shape form or fashion a fair weather fan. I saw need for improvement in the Titans win and the Packers win. Call me pessimistic, but never fair weather.

You must have it really tough with your prefect dreams and ideals in this imperfect world. If you could not enjoy the Packer win and Titan win then you have bigger issues that should be addressed by a trained medical professional.

[Big Texas]

Originally Posted by Mike

You must have it really tough with your prefect dreams and ideals in this imperfect world. If you could not enjoy the Packer win and Titan win then you have bigger issues that should be addressed by a trained medical professional.

I never said that I did not enjoy a win. Everyone enjoys a win.

But what makes champions and winners, something this team is not and obviously with you at the helm would continue not to be, is a team that realizes that there is always room for improvement. If there was not anymore room for improvement then both teams that beat the Titans would not be watching from home in January.

Its statements like the one you just made that keep us in the current predicament that we are in. Contentment with mediocrity.

Just because you win a game does not make you a winner. A winner is defined as a person who wins more than they lose. We have not. So there for we are losers. And at best this season we are mediocre, average, and in my book after so many years unacceptable.

Now take that and do what you will. I choose not to converse with the likes of someone who chooses to ignore the losses of today to focus on the irrelevant wins of yesterday. And yes they were irrelevant because they have no bearing on today or our future. All that win did was decrease our chances of a good draft pick and settle the spirits of a person like you.

So you and your loser buddies can start a thread called "A" for effort where you can discuss the great things Dom Capers, George Bush, and Jeff Skilling have done.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by Big Texas

I never said that I did not enjoy a win. Everyone enjoys a win.

But what makes champions and winners, something this team is not and obviously with you at the helm would continue not to be, is a team that realizes that there is always room for improvement. If there was not anymore room for improvement then both teams that beat the Titans would not be watching from home in January.

Its statements like the one you just made that keep us in the current predicament that we are in. Contentment with mediocrity.

Just because you win a game does not make you a winner. A winner is defined as a person who wins more than they lose. We have not. So there for we are losers. And at best this season we are mediocre, average, and in my book after so many years unacceptable.

Now take that and do what you will. I choose not to converse with the likes of someone who chooses to ignore the losses of today to focus on the irrelevant wins of yesterday. And yes they were irrelevant because they have no bearing on today or our future. All that win did was decrease our chances of a good draft pick and settle the spirits of a person like you.

So you and your loser buddies can start a thread called "A" for effort where you can discuss the great things Dom Capers, George Bush, and Jeff Skilling have done.

I am not happy about losing yesterday, but I prefer to see the positive(s) of this season, and don't get too excited over a win or a loss.

As for your last comment, you are a complete ass, and you know nothing of me, my family, friends or anything about me. Do you feel "big" by making statements like that on a message board. You must be a really smart man. I bet you are a product of the public schools here. I am sure Texans everywhere are proud of you. I hope you don't spill a drink on my car next time I am at your drive thru window.