Anyone else hoping the top 3 QBs go before the Texans pick?

[popanot]

I mean, I can see it now... Wentz and Goff go early, Lynch gets drafted by the Broncos and becomes a star and we end up cutting Osweiler in 2 years. Isn't that how the Houston sports 'kick in the nuts' works??

[chuck]

Why the hell are you such a pessimist? Lighten up, dude.

[HPF Bob]

Wow, when Chuck busts your nuts for being a pessimist, that's saying something.

I understand the sentiment but, really, no matter who the Texans pass on 1-22 (I'm still hoping for a tradedown unless a certain one or two guys slip to us), if he has a better career than Osweiler, we will look like fools.

Denver clearly wanted to keep him and he had some very good moments last year so I don't think he's going to become Ryan Leaf or Johnny Highball. A good marker for him is Matt Schaub. We got some serviceable borderline All-Pro years out of Schaub but he always left me thinking he wasn't "the guy" to turn us into champions. Ossie gives me similar vibes. A lot will depend on what O'Brien wants from him and how he will handle setbacks.

But if Ossie turns out to be just ordinary and somebody like Lynch, Cook or Hackenberg takes a team to the Super Bowl, you betcha there will be grumbling. Just the nature of the beast. You can't be too scared to take a chance.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

Wow, when Chuck busts your nuts for being a pessimist, that's saying something.

I understand the sentiment but, really, no matter who the Texans pass on 1-22 (I'm still hoping for a tradedown unless a certain one or two guys slip to us), if he has a better career than Osweiler, we will look like fools.

Denver clearly wanted to keep him and he had some very good moments last year so I don't think he's going to become Ryan Leaf or Johnny Highball. A good marker for him is Matt Schaub. We got some serviceable borderline All-Pro years out of Schaub but he always left me thinking he wasn't "the guy" to turn us into champions. Ossie gives me similar vibes. A lot will depend on what O'Brien wants from him and how he will handle setbacks.

But if Ossie turns out to be just ordinary and somebody like Lynch, Cook or Hackenberg takes a team to the Super Bowl, you betcha there will be grumbling. Just the nature of the beast. You can't be too scared to take a chance.

I was thinking the exact same thing when I read this afternoon. I did not have time to post it.

[popanot]

Originally Posted by chuck

Why the hell are you such a pessimist? Lighten up, dude.

It's a joke, chuck. Talk about lightening up... Guess I missed putting the smiley face emoticon.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by popanot

It's a joke, chuck. Talk about lightening up... Guess I missed putting the smiley face emoticon.

Dude. I knew Bob literally has no sense of humor whatsoever and would not spot my post as extreme self-deprecation but I expected most of the other regulars to get what I was doing. See, unlike SOME people around here I actually recognize and to a degree embrace the space in the Venn diagram where chuck and the absurd overlap. And, because I have a sense of humor and despite what you may think do not take myself particularly seriously when it comes to sports commentary, I am happy to joke about it.

Hey, wait a minute...

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

But if... Hackenberg takes a team to the Super Bowl...

Maybe Bob has a sense of humor after all!

I expect BO to be at least as good as Schaub in Schaub's prime, probably better. And that would be plenty good enough to win.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by chuck

Dude. I knew Bob literally has no sense of humor whatsoever and would not spot my post as extreme self-deprecation but I expected most of the other regulars to get what I was doing. See, unlike SOME people around here I actually recognize and to a degree embrace the space in the Venn diagram where chuck and the absurd overlap. And, because I have a sense of humor and despite what you may think do not take myself particularly seriously when it comes to sports commentary, I am happy to joke about it.

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Nice post, from someone who who missed your tone on that one.

[barrett]

I think Brock is more likely to give us what we need to win (solid, above average QB play) than anyone in the draft. He's less of a dice roll. This move was made to complete a team that was competitive despite the QB the last two years.

But I also think Brock has a relatively low ceiling, and he costs us 5 times more money. Teams like Seattle and Indy operated with a $15 million+ cap bump by playing a rookie QB. That allows you to screw up a lot and still put together a great roster because you get to spend 10% more than the rest of the league. I would have liked that advantage for our front office since they've been known to screw up plenty.

[popanot]

Originally Posted by chuck

Dude. I knew Bob literally has no sense of humor whatsoever and would not spot my post as extreme self-deprecation but I expected most of the other regulars to get what I was doing. See, unlike SOME people around here I actually recognize and to a degree embrace the space in the Venn diagram where chuck and the absurd overlap. And, because I have a sense of humor and despite what you may think do not take myself particularly seriously when it comes to sports commentary, I am happy to joke about it.

Darn it!! Hard for me to tell without the smiley face emoticon.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by chuck

I expect BO to be at least as good as Schaub in Schaub's prime, probably better.

Now this is optimism. Schaub's prime, roughly 2009 until Fat Albert squashed his foot in 2011, was very good. Schaub's 2013 season has left a permanent smudge on his otherwise proud Texan career.

On a seasonal basis from 2009-2011 (prorating 2011), Schaub averaged 4426 yds, 64.8 cmp%, 8.02 YPA, 26 TD, 12 INT.

This sounds like the upside of Osweiler to me. If we even get about 85% of Schaub's prime, this will be plenty good enough to win.

Back to the OP's topic though... The Osweiler trade was about getting this production in 2016-2017 and not having to wait for a Bortles-like multi-year maturation while your strong veteran defense ages. If one of the rookies available outperforms Osweiler in 2016, then yes, gamble failed.