Marciano - Fired!!

popanot · #1 12-06-2013, 02:21 PM

Hell yeah! That's what I'm talking about!!!

popanot · #2 12-06-2013, 02:22 PM

Mark Berman (@MarkBermanFox26)
12/6/13, 2:16 PM
Texans replacing Special Teams Coordinator Joe Marciano with assistant special teams coach Bob Ligashesky.

barrett · #3 12-06-2013, 02:27 PM

Wow. I cannot recall a ST coach being fired as part of an in season purge. Maybe a ST coach gets fired in season after a disastrous ST performance, but to be fired with the HC is strange. I am not complaining at all, but weird timing.

Keith · #4 12-06-2013, 02:28 PM

had a friend text me this:

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is this real life?

popanot · #5 12-06-2013, 02:30 PM

Sort of indicates to me Kubiak was the one keeping Marciano around, not McNair. I will not be surprised if Schaub is inactive the rest of the season. Kubiak's boys are OUT!

barrett · #6 12-06-2013, 02:40 PM

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Sort of indicates to me Kubiak was the one keeping Marciano around, not McNair. I will not be surprised if Schaub is inactive the rest of the season. Kubiak's boys are OUT!

I am pretty sure Marciano predates Kubiak. There is no way Kubiak was protecting a guy he had no prior relationship with against McNair's wishes.

I think it's all dog and pony show for McNair to appease the fans. McNair can fire his boy Marciano now or in 3 weeks and it makes no difference. Either way he can sweetheart him financially on the way out. But do it now and you can scapegoat ST as a Kubiak problem.

Bob is trying to win back fans that have been put off by this little 11 game losing streak.

popanot · #7 12-06-2013, 02:52 PM

Whatever the motive or timing, I sure feel a heck of a lot better now than I did 2 hours ago. Now I know I won't ever have to see Kubiak or Marciano on the sideline or listen to another crap Kubiak presser again. Too bad they couldn't fire the rest of them today too. Guess we'll just have to wait the 3 weeks for them.

chuck · #8 12-06-2013, 03:35 PM

barrett's analysis here and in the other fired thread is right on. I didn't think I could have any more contempt for McNair's cowardice but I was wrong. What should be a day of jubilance for me is now a day where I'm forced to recalibrate my hatred of the team's ownership.

barrett · #9 12-06-2013, 03:48 PM

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barrett's analysis here and in the other fired thread is right on. I didn't think I could have any more contempt for McNair's cowardice but I was wrong. What should be a day of jubilance for me is now a day where I'm forced to recalibrate my hatred of the team's ownership.

Yep. It is so clear he is trying to wash the stink of this season off by attaching it all to Kubiak (even Marciano, who was a McNair guy from the start).

If losing 10 straight wasn't embarrassing, then there is no way last night was a back breaker. McNair just wanted to distance himself from Kubs so he can keep the fan base happy. Then he bashes Schaub and lauds Keenum (after one of Keenum's poorest games) as a bone for the localites. The way he is using Keenum to distract from how we've bungled this season from the TOP down, makes me almost root against a great young kid I really like.

barrett · #10 12-06-2013, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by popanot

Whatever the motive or timing, I sure feel a heck of a lot better now than I did 2 hours ago. Now I know I won't ever have to see Kubiak or Marciano on the sideline or listen to another crap Kubiak presser again. Too bad they couldn't fire the rest of them today too. Guess we'll just have to wait the 3 weeks for them.

But this is still true and the most important thing today. At least until we make a hire.

chuck · #11 12-06-2013, 04:04 PM

The hilarious thing is that Schaub, bless him, plainly outplayed Keenum last night and McNair is the only one who doesn't seem to know it.

My only hope is that they'll hire a head coach who demands that Rick Smith be fired. I can't really see this happening but I didn't see them firing Lickey mid-season or Marciano at all.

barrett · #12 12-06-2013, 04:16 PM

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The hilarious thing is that Schaub, bless him, plainly outplayed Keenum last night and McNair is the only one who doesn't seem to know it.

My only hope is that they'll hire a head coach who demands that Rick Smith be fired. I can't really see this happening but I didn't see them firing Lickey mid-season or Marciano at all.

Schaub is who he is and he was that guy again last night. I never need to see him take another snap. But Kubiak is a lame duck and can only try to win the games since he has no next year with this team. He clearly believes Schaub gives them the best chance in any kind of 2 minute situation. Who knows if he's right (and who cares). All these idiots are gone next year.

But if you are McNair and you are truly playing for next year and you honestly thought Keenum was next year's answer and wanted him to play, then you fire Kubiak at the bye and give Wade the clear directive to play Keenum. You don't keep your lame duck coach and hope he cares about next year's team that he's not a part of.

But this wasn't about next year or anything else football related. This was McNair reading tea leaves and trying to cuddle up to dumb, angry, talk radio fan. "Fire Kubiak. Fire Marciano. Schaub stinks. Keenum is great."

If McNair had done this at the bye, I would believe it was about next year and evaluating/developing Case. Instead it's a clear play to win the media and fan base after an embarrassing season.

barrett · #13 12-06-2013, 04:18 PM

Then McNair followed up with talk about how talented our roster still is and an instant turn around (so this year was all Kubiak's fault, Smith is a great GM, and fans should keep believing and paying).

And then he named Lovie Smith as an example of a guy to interview. Lovie might as well be the Defensive Gary Kubiak.

chuck · #14 12-06-2013, 04:36 PM

McNair is clueless and this franchise is doomed.

barrett · #15 12-06-2013, 05:26 PM

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McNair is clueless and this franchise is doomed.

We just need him to be right once.

nunusguy · #16 12-06-2013, 06:00 PM

Not sure why Lovie is held in such low esteem by some, but at the least a sit down with him would meet the perfunctory Rooney Rule.
Now for a Bro with more "color", perhaps David Shaw would be a more appealing prospect ?

barrett · #17 12-06-2013, 06:49 PM

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Not sure why Lovie is held in such low esteem by some, but at the least a sit down with him would meet the perfunctory Rooney Rule.
Now for a Bro with more "color", perhaps David Shaw would be a more appealing prospect ?

I consider Kubs a 8-8 guy. There are a few great coaches and a few terrible ones, and then 20+ guys who won't fix or break a team. Lovie and Kubs are those guys. They coach talent to its level and that's that.

Arky · #18 12-06-2013, 07:09 PM

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.................If McNair had done this at the bye, I would believe it was about next year and evaluating/developing Case. Instead it's a clear play to win the media and fan base after an embarrassing season.

Sounds like it's a no-win situation for McNair. If he waits till the end of the season to do the dismissal, fans are even more upset. By doing it now, it's an agenda/money driven decision? Letting Kubiak go at the bye (record was 2-5 at that point) would seem a bit premature for a coach coming off two straight playoff years, IMO....

I think fan outrage started with Schaub, then went to Kubiak and then went right on up the ladder. People need to realize McNair isn't going anywhere - everybody else doesn't have that luxury or job security.

All the peeps that have been calling for his (Kubiak's) head, some dating back to years ago, should be happy right about now....

WMH · #19 12-06-2013, 07:19 PM

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And then he named Lovie Smith as an example of a guy to interview. Lovie might as well be the Defensive Gary Kubiak.

He was asked a specific question about Lovie, and he answered that question. He's an obvious interview for several reasons, but he didn't do anything other than answer a question.

barrett · #20 12-06-2013, 09:00 PM

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Sounds like it's a no-win situation for McNair. If he waits till the end of the season to do the dismissal, fans are even more upset. By doing it now, it's an agenda/money driven decision? Letting Kubiak go at the bye (record was 2-5 at that point) would seem a bit premature for a coach coming off two straight playoff years, IMO....

I think fan outrage started with Schaub, then went to Kubiak and then went right on up the ladder. People need to realize McNair isn't going anywhere - everybody else doesn't have that luxury or job security.

All the peeps that have been calling for his (Kubiak's) head, some dating back to years ago, should be happy right about now....

Of course it's a no-win situation for McNair, his team is 2-11 and on an 11 game losing streak. It's always no win when you don't win.

I am not asking for McNair to go anywhere. He is the owner. End of story. I saw plenty of negative comments about McNair in this thread but nothing close to "let's get rid of him." Nobody in this thread needs to realize anything about McNair not going anywhere.

McNair fires Kubiak and says Keenum needs to play and improve? Do you truly believe he thinks Keenum will play next year? Or do you think he likes that Keenum takes a bit of heat off, while Schaub just makes people angrier?