Official Texans vs. Colts Game Thread, 11/3/2013

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by barrett

Really the colossal failure for this organization amounts to the QB position and ST.

Not that I don't agree with you here especially with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, but let me play devil's advocate for a moment and ask you, how does a HC replace his starting QB who's been to multiple pro bowls & led the team to the Playoffs the last 2 years with a 2nd year undrafted guy who's the teams 3rd string QB and has nothing but preseason experience ?

[barrett]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

Not that I don't agree with you here especially with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, but let me play devil's advocate for a moment and ask you, how does a HC replace his starting QB who's been to multiple pro bowls & led the team to the Playoffs the last 2 years with a 2nd year undrafted guy who's the teams 3rd string QB and has nothing but preseason experience ?

I never reccommended that. I don't think the plan ever should have included Keenum. If you get lucky with a guy you didn't invest in you thank the football gods.

The colossal failure was the Schaub extension. He was coming off major injury and the front office bet he would be as good/better over the length of the deal than he was before the deal. Obviously that was a bad bet. We could have played out that season with Schaub on his deal and definitively known after last season he wasn't the guy (and that for reasons health related or other, he wasn't the same QB). Instead we gambled that we could win with him and gave him a salary that locked him in as the starting QB for two more seasons and will hit the cap for an unspecified amount of time after he is done in Houston. That is a colossal failure and a waste of the end of AJ's prime and the start of Watt's. If anyone sees it any other way I truly don't understand how.

[Nconroe]

Could be wrong, but guarantee to Schaub was 29 mil. And if they cut Schaub after this year cap hit is 6 mil for two years.m

However you get a good QB seems to be somewhat lucky.

[WMH]

Originally Posted by barrett

I never reccommended that. I don't think the plan ever should have included Keenum. If you get lucky with a guy you didn't invest in you thank the football gods.

The colossal failure was the Schaub extension. He was coming off major injury and the front office bet he would be as good/better over the length of the deal than he was before the deal. Obviously that was a bad bet. We could have played out that season with Schaub on his deal and definitively known after last season he wasn't the guy (and that for reasons health related or other, he wasn't the same QB). Instead we gambled that we could win with him and gave him a salary that locked him in as the starting QB for two more seasons and will hit the cap for an unspecified amount of time after he is done in Houston. That is a colossal failure and a waste of the end of AJ's prime and the start of Watt's. If anyone sees it any other way I truly don't understand how.

Was it really that bad of a bet? After they cut him, a 3.5 hit in '14 and 7.5 hit in '15 for getting out of a starting NFL QB doesn't seem that bad to me. Factor in the rookie wage scale for an incoming QB, and it washes out. I'll give the brass kudos for that structure. There's no way he wasn't going to be here for less than 2 years of the deal. Now they can get out of it and move on.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by WMH

Was it really that bad of a bet? After they cut him, a 3.5 hit in '14 and 7.5 hit in '15 for getting out of a starting NFL QB doesn't seem that bad to me. Factor in the rookie wage scale for an incoming QB, and it washes out. I'll give the brass kudos for that structure. There's no way he wasn't going to be here for less than 2 years of the deal. Now they can get out of it and move on.

Not a terribly structured deal, but there was no reason for it. We were bidding against ourselves. Let him play out the deal and then resign him (or don't if he plays like last year). At worst he plays like he never has before and the deal is a few million bigger or you have to franchise him. Either way we signed an extension on an unseen player coming off a damaging injury when we were under no compulsion to extend.

[WMH]

Originally Posted by barrett

Not a terribly structured deal, but there was no reason for it. We were bidding against ourselves. Let him play out the deal and then resign him (or don't if he plays like last year). At worst he plays like he never has before and the deal is a few million bigger or you have to franchise him. Either way we signed an extension on an unseen player coming off a damaging injury when we were under no compulsion to extend.

I can see that. I can see that with the Foster deal too, but don't recall if there were similar outs.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by WMH

Was it really that bad of a bet?

Speaking of bets, just wondering, what kind of bet would you put on Schaub's status including his domicile next year ? I think this time next year Matt Schaub is a starting NFL QB in some city not named Houston, TX. I'm more confidant about that bet than I am about who Houston's QB is next year at this time. What ever Schaub's issues and limitations (and they are considerable), there's still 32 NFL teams many of which have a really, really bad QB listed #1 on their DC.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

Speaking of bets, just wondering, what kind of bet would you put on Schaub's status including his domicile next year ? I think this time next year Matt Schaub is a starting NFL QB in some city not named Houston, TX. I'm more confidant about that bet than I am about who Houston's QB is next year at this time. What ever Schaub's issues and limitations (and they are considerable), there's still 32 NFL teams many of which have a really, really bad QB listed #1 on their DC.

I would guess Schaub gets a job about like Kolb got this year. Some team will pay him to be a place holder for a not ready rookie. He is capable compared to the scrap heap veterans out there, and he is a low ego, team first guy who will play his best even while knowing he is not in the long term plans. But I doubt anyone goes Alex Smith and says "this is our guy." The end was just too ugly to sell him to a fan base in that way.

[HPF Bob]

Here's a crazy ass prediction. The Redskins decide the market will never be better than now to trade Kirk Cousins and then sign Schaub as the backup to RG3. After all, Baby Shan is the OC there and has worked with Schaub before plus it will be the same sort of offensive system. The Skins can sign him to a small-salary contract since the Texans will still be on the hook for a large enough chunk of change to keep him comfortable and he'll be back near his Virginia roots.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

Here's a crazy ass prediction. The Redskins decide the market will never be better than now to trade Kirk Cousins and then sign Schaub as the backup to RG3. After all, Baby Shan is the OC there and has worked with Schaub before plus it will be the same sort of offensive system. The Skins can sign him to a small-salary contract since the Texans will still be on the hook for a large enough chunk of change to keep him comfortable and he'll be back near his Virginia roots.

The Texans are not on the hook for any money with Schaub next year. They have a cap hit for long paid bonus money, but Schaub will only get paid what he is paid next year.