DraftTek Mock

[Blitzwood]

Originally Posted by gunn

Also..... you're coming across as if you have and agenda, imo.

gunn, Yea, my agenda is called "not drafting another project in the first round". Seriously. I can't believe some are cool with it just because of his name, then they wonder why we're 8-8 again.

If it's third and long, and Cush was out, then Matthews was out unless he's bringing the blitz.


Roy,
not bad, although I'm not very high on Vontae in the first. His brother is getting benched by Singletary in the pros, and Vontae got benched as a junior. His character leaves alot to be desired, from what I've read.
Plus Dante and Vontae gets a little redundant

How about:
1. Percy Harvin WR/RB Florida
2. Jarron Gilbert DT/DE SJSU
3. Jarius Byrd CB Oregon
4. Tyrone McKenzie OLB S.Florida
4. David Bruton FS Notre Dame
5. Zack Follett OLB Cal
6. Quin Johnson RB/FB LSU
7. Dallas Reynolds C/OG BYU

[gunn]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

gunn, Yea, my agenda is called "not drafting another project in the first round". Seriously. I can't believe some are cool with it just because of his name, then they wonder why we're 8-8 again.

If it's third and long, and Cush was out, then Matthews was out unless he's bringing the blitz.

Questioning maturity level and bringing steriods into the picture is hardly saying "stay away from a project in round one". Certainly, and I'm going out on limb here, when you have no direct knowledge of either. If you have a reason for not wanting a certain player, it might be better if it's actually legitimate instead of unsubstantiated nonsense.

As per Mike Lombardi, Cushing was on the bench for USC on 3rd downs calling in the question: if he can't play for USC on 3rd down, how is he going to in the NFL?

[Blitzwood]

Gunn, at the end of the day he is a project. His skill set could realistically be had in the mid-late rounds. He has the potential to get better, which is why he's being mentioned in the first round. I feel we need help now, especially since we don't have a starter at that position.

Nobody knows for a fact who is using or if anyone is using. It's a topic for debate and speculation. But, you would be a bit naive to think that Matthews was a late bloomer, who physically matured later, and stayed under the radar until his senior season, all while adding 75-80lbs of muscle.

[jppaul]

I disagree I think he has tremendous upside, 1.49 in the 10 yard is really an amazing number for a 240 pounder. Unbelievable actually. Combined with his tackling ability, pass rush, and upside I definitely think he warrants a first round pick.

I would be happy with him or Cushing. I'm a little torn though, I love Adibi's potential, but I am concerned about his injury history. Diles is really a better fit in the middle. If you believe Adibi can stay healthy then Cushing should be the choice, as I don't believe Matthews best fit is SLB. If you don't then Matthews should be the choice.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

His skill set could realistically be had in the mid-late rounds.

See, now this is where you got ahead of yourself.

Clay Matthews USC 6 '3 1/8" 240 4.62 23 35.5 2.64 1.49 10.08 6.9 4.18 68.58 12.57 5.46 0.44

These are the type of numbers that Jonathan Vilma put up at his Combine at 233lbs.

23 - reps, 37" Vertical, 10'1" Jump, 6.7 - Cone, 4.2 - Shuttle.

You won't be finding a mid-late round LB with this type of athleticism, I'm sorry. When it comes to size, explosion, and change of direction, then Matthews is the guy you want in this draft.

Now, I understand the notion of not wanting to spend the #15 pick on a guy who has just burst on the scene. Imagine how Jerry Jones felt when he burned the #11 pick on a kid from Troy who did all of his growing in college. Of course, now he's trying to figure out how many zeros to put into DeMarcus Ware's next contract.

[Blitzwood]

Originally Posted by Roy P

See, now this is where you got ahead of yourself.

AHH, no, His skill set can be found in the middle rounds because his technique is not developed for an OLB in a 4-3. He's better, and has played mostly DE or OLB in a 3-4. His skill set and technique is less developed than say Cushings or Sintim for that matter.

I never said anything about his athleticism. Just because you have a test well at the combine doesn't mean you're a great football player. We've all seen that before.

I think Marcus Freeman, who is a really good cover 2 will, is a good example the mid-rounds.

[BigBull]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

AHH, no, His skill set can be found in the middle rounds because his technique is not developed for an OLB in a 4-3. He's better, and has played mostly DE or OLB in a 3-4. His skill set and technique is less developed than say Cushings or Sintim for that matter.

I never said anything about his athleticism. Just because you have a test well at the combine doesn't mean you're a great football player. We've all seen that before.

Can you name some examples of these middle round picks that have as good of skills? Just curious.

[gunn]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

AHH, no, His skill set can be found in the middle rounds because his technique is not developed for an OLB in a 4-3. He's better, and has played mostly DE or OLB in a 3-4. His skill set and technique is less developed than say Cushings or Sintim for that matter...

How has he played OLB in a 34 when USC runs and always has run an under 43?

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

His skill set and technique is less developed than say Cushings or Sintim for that matter.

I think Marcus Freeman, who is a really good cover 2 will, is a good example the mid-rounds.

I'll have to disagree with you again here. Matthews is a better pass-rusher and tackler than either Cushings or Sintim. Both of which will probably be gone by our 2nd round pick.

Freeman can drop in a Zone, but I'd say that Matthews has the better ability of being able to match up in Man-to-Man coverage.

There will be a bit of learning for him at the next level because of the type of Defense he played in at USC. However, most players will go through some type of adjustment. His fundamentals are solid though, so he should not take long to make an impact.

If I didn't know better, I'd say you were from Tampa Bay or New England and was hoping he'd slide down to your slot.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

AHH, no, His skill set can be found in the middle rounds because his technique is not developed for an OLB in a 4-3. He's better, and has played mostly DE or OLB in a 3-4. His skill set and technique is less developed than say Cushings or Sintim for that matter.

I never said anything about his athleticism. Just because you have a test well at the combine doesn't mean you're a great football player. We've all seen that before.

I think Marcus Freeman, who is a really good cover 2 will, is a good example the mid-rounds.

And he played safety in HS. The kid is versatile and willing to work hard, also he chasing a ghost and he seems to willing to catch'em.

[Roy P]

Now that I've updated my draft board once again, I ran it against the DraftTek mock.

15. WR Jeremy Maclin Missouri
46. FS William Moore Missouri
77. SS Chip Vaughn Wake Forest
112. CB Keenan Lewis Oregon St
122. LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh
152. RB Javarris Williams Tenn State (I seriously considerd JP Wilson)
188. RB Ian Johnson Boise State
223. DT Roy Miller Texas (I thought about Victor Butler)

McKillop played MLB in college, but I think he'd be able to play SAM and be a HUGE contributor on Special Teams. Javarris Williams is my sleeper Big Back.