Would You Do Cutler To Houston For Schaub and Our #1?

[papabear]

If it's a sweetheart deal for us then I wouldn't be upset....but Cutler asked for a trade when they fired Shanny. Then goes batshit when they take a trade call a few months later. He's not anywhere near a TO, but he certainly seems to have an attitude. From a statistical standpoint Schaub's better almost across the board he just has yet to play a whole season...which IMO is the only reason to question Schaub at this point.

[HPF Bob]

Originally Posted by papabear

From a statistical standpoint Schaub's better almost across the board he just has yet to play a whole season...which IMO is the only reason to question Schaub at this point.

I looked up both QB's numbers for last year and here were the relevant ones:

Stat        Cutler      Schaub
Games        16         11
Pss Yards    4526       3043
Yds/Gm       282.9      276.6
Yds/Comp     11.8       12.1
Comp %       62.3       66.1
TD Passes    25         15 
TD %         4.1        3.6
INTs         18         10
INT %        2.9        2.6
QB Rating    86.0       92.7
Fumbles      5          10
Rush Yds     57         68
Rush TDS     2          2

There's not a great difference when you break it down other than Schaub fumbled twice as much as Cutler in five less games. Cutler threw more INTs but he also threw more often and didn't have as reliable a ground game to take the heat off him. When the new season starts, Cutler will be 26 years old and Schaub will be 28.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

I looked up both QB's numbers for last year and here were the relevant ones:
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There's not a great difference when you break it down other than Schaub fumbled twice as much as Cutler in five less games. Cutler threw more INTs but he also threw more often and didn't have as reliable a ground game to take the heat off him. When the new season starts, Cutler will be 26 years old and Schaub will be 28.

What I look at is completion percentage, yards per attempt, and int %. They are all pretty close, but Schaub has the edge in all of them. I didn't watch enough of Denver this year to have a great feel for Cutler, but my feeling with him has been than he was impressive in his first full season, but hasn't really grown since then and he is a little over-rated. The only reason I see to question Schaub is that he hasn't played a whole year. Cutler could go down at any time as well, and Schaub has 13 less starts under his belt.

I would rank them close to the same in the pecking order of QB's in the NFL. Cutler's got a stronger arm, but Schaub's arm strength isn't a hindrance to this offense and he's more accurate (could be a function of this offense though). That's why the title of this thread blew me away. We're going to trade for a guy who's pretty close to what we already have, but sounds suspiciously like a whining little Bitch....and we're going to throw in our #1? I wouldn't be upset with Cutler at QB at all, but anything more than a late round pick would be ludicrous if they are getting Schaub in the deal. If this is something the Texans are interested in then they need to remember that the Broncos are the ones with the problem and would be negotiating from the weaker position. I wouldn't offer anything more than a straight swap and I might even ask for a pick from them.

[HPF Bob]

My initial proposal was before the situation in Denver got so terrible. The Texans are in a far better bargaining position now because the Broncos practically need to be rid of Cutler. Every day he is there is one less day the Bronco coaches are in control. If you're a teammate, who do you side with? The new head coach who has only been there a few weeks or the quarterback who has been with them a few years?

However, I think the Broncos will get better offers than Schaub + a draft choice.

The way I look at Schaub vs. Cutler is that Schaub has realized his potential. He is what he is and, like Sage, he'll never be better. His teammates around him may get better but Schaub won't. Cutler, OTOH, is still a few years away from his peak He's as good as Schaub already (and apparently knows how to keep the ball in his mitts when he's tackled unlike Schaub) and would only get better under a coach like Kubiak.

Yes, arm strength in the current offense isn't a big need but with burners like Johnson, Davis and Jones they ought to be throwing deep more often. I think the reason they haven't is because they don't yet have confidence in the OL to hold off the pass rush and Schaub doesn't have the gun a guy like Cutler has. That's why one got chosen in the first half of the first round and the other lasted until the third round.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

My initial proposal was before the situation in Denver got so terrible. The Texans are in a far better bargaining position now because the Broncos practically need to be rid of Cutler. Every day he is there is one less day the Bronco coaches are in control. If you're a teammate, who do you side with? The new head coach who has only been there a few weeks or the quarterback who has been with them a few years?

However, I think the Broncos will get better offers than Schaub + a draft choice.

The way I look at Schaub vs. Cutler is that Schaub has realized his potential. He is what he is and, like Sage, he'll never be better. His teammates around him may get better but Schaub won't. Cutler, OTOH, is still a few years away from his peak He's as good as Schaub already (and apparently knows how to keep the ball in his mitts when he's tackled unlike Schaub) and would only get better under a coach like Kubiak.

Yes, arm strength in the current offense isn't a big need but with burners like Johnson, Davis and Jones they ought to be throwing deep more often. I think the reason they haven't is because they don't yet have confidence in the OL to hold off the pass rush and Schaub doesn't have the gun a guy like Cutler has. That's why one got chosen in the first half of the first round and the other lasted until the third round.

Cutler obviously is a better athlete. I think the arm thing is overrated when it comes to deep balls though. Throwing a good deep ball is as much about timing and touch as it is about being able to sling it 65 yards. I'm not saying there aren't advantages too having a big gun, there are, but having a stronger arm doesn't meam you automatically throw a better deep ball.

Even before there was one whiff of the controversy I thought it was crazy to give up a first round pick plus Schaub for Cutler. Cutler may have the higher ceiling, but I don't agree with the statement that Schaub has peeked. Maybe age-wise he's in what should be his prime, but I still think Schaub is getting better. I thought he's done a better job of getting rid of the ball on time, or when nothing was there towards the end of year. That should also help cut down on the fumbles. Schaub also has fewer starts under his belt. Yes, the reason for that is the injuries, which is my biggest fear with Schaub. Either way, I'm still not going to make a swap for what I feel is about the same level of QB + my number one draft pick because the other guy might end up improving a little more than the other. Where there where originally drafted stopped being important as soon as there rookie contracts were signed.

None of that even begins to address who's better in the lockerroom, or is a better leader. I'm sure the Broncos share the blame evenly in the whole situation, but Cutler hasn't done anything to make me say that I want him as the leader on my football team.

[BigBull]

I think I have to agree with papabear on this one. I mean the Texans would be crazy to give up Schaub and first for Cutler. Payton or Brady maybe, but Cutler no thanks. I think Kubes likes Schaub to much to do that trade anyway.

[TheMatrix31]

The problem is Schaub's reliability, not his on-the-field production. When he's actually playing, he's as good as most, but the guy is good to miss 3-5 games a season it seems. Yes, I know he got hurt from Allen's dirtiness this past year but it's still disconcerting.

I want to be able to rely on my QB.