Texans bringing in running back Cedric Benson

coloradodude · #1 03-01-2009, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by cloudwasher

I'd hate to see them bring in Benson. For the price he would ask, you'd be better off drafting a back from the late rounds.

Yep...and most of those numbers were David Carr numbers. Games were over.

dadmg · #2 03-01-2009, 10:57 PM

This sounds like a pretty bad, if inexpensive, idea.

barrett · #3 03-02-2009, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dadmg

This sounds like a pretty bad, if inexpensive, idea.

There is no such thing in football. IF a guy is inexpensive, he can't be a bad idea because he can be cut at any time. Some of you guys prefer a draft pick, why not both if the gauranteed money is low. Then let them fight for a spot. You cannot lose out when two guys fight for a spot instead of one being given it.

Now if his 3 game stretch with the bungles convinced him he deserves good money, don't even look at him. But if he can be had for little gauranteed, why not look?

dadmg · #4 03-02-2009, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by barrett

There is no such thing in football. IF a guy is inexpensive, he can't be a bad idea because he can be cut at any time.

My thought (and I could be wildly wrong; wouldn't be the first time) is that if the front office picks up Benson they won't feel a need to bring in another backup running back. And I don't think Benson's the answer to any question I want to hear.

barrett · #5 03-02-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dadmg

My thought (and I could be wildly wrong; wouldn't be the first time) is that if the front office picks up Benson they won't feel a need to bring in another backup running back. And I don't think Benson's the answer to any question I want to hear.

SO if they add Benson they go to camp with 2 RBs? There will be rookie RBs in camp no matter what. Even if they are camp fodder and are just carrying the ball in preseason games to keep the vets healthy, we will have rookies at RB.

If you can add a vet cheap you do it. Then you cut him if you see that a younger player can do the job better. NFL 101 right there.

Bigtinylittle · #6 03-02-2009, 02:29 PM

I am going to go ahead and predict that if we sign Ced, he will be the second best back we have had under Kubiak. Dayne might have been better on first and ten, especially toward the end of games, but Ced will be much better on third and one. I say if the price is right go for it.

dadmg · #7 03-02-2009, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by barrett

If you can add a vet cheap you do it.

I agree with this in principle; I just don't feel the veteran they picked is worth it. Even with his draft pedigree holding him aloft, I'd be surprised if Benson's even still in the league two or three years from now. None of the free agent running backs look likely to set the world on fire, but I don't see any reason we should target an underachieving head case just to feel secure in our depth.

A further note: while its completely irrelevant to this argument (as its been set on the condition that he would be cheap), I'm beginning to wonder if that'll be the case. The Bengals, after the disastrous Chris Perry experiment, are trying to bring back Benson as their starter. A bidding war, even a relatively low-level one, over Benson makes me a bit nauseous.

coloradodude · #8 03-02-2009, 02:37 PM

If they sign him I sure hope they find out how he is in the locker room. He has had some serious attitude problems along with legal problems.

I don't care about the legal issues because they usually take care of themselves. The attitude problems are cancer.

nero THE zero · #9 03-02-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dadmg

A further note: while its completely irrelevant to this argument (as its been set on the condition that he would be cheap), I'm beginning to wonder if that'll be the case. The Bengals, after the disastrous Chris Perry experiment, are trying to bring back Benson as their starter. A bidding war, even a relatively low-level one, over Benson makes me a bit nauseous.

I agree; he cites "business" several times in his interview regarding why he potentially will be leaving Cinci/coming to Houston:

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“I like being in Texas and Houston’s close to home,” Benson said after arriving at Hobby Airport. “I think the possibility is good (about signing with the Texans), but there’s always a business side to everything.”

Benson, 26, is a Midland native who played at the University of Texas before Chicago selected him with the fourth overall pick in 2005. Released after three years with the Bears, Benson signed with Cincinnati last season and rushed for 747 yards in 10 starts.

Benson was asked why he would accept a backup role with the Texans rather than a starting job with the Bengals.

“The business side here might be better than the business side in Cincinnati,” Benson said about contract negotiations.

“Also, there’s the Super Bowl. I had an opportunity to go to one (with Chicago), and I’d like to go back and win.”

Last year, the Texans weren’t interested in Benson when he was waived by the Bears. They became interested after watching him play for the Bengals and stay out of trouble off the field.

Benson’s legal issues have been cleared up.

“I have matured a little more,” he said. “A young man changes after he turns 21.”

The Bengals are trying to re-sign Benson, who had three 100-yard games for them. He closed the season with 171 and 111 yards in victories over Cleveland and Kansas City. The Bengals finished with a three-game winning streak in which Benson averaged 118.3 yards rushing.

“I think I proved that I’m the player everybody thought I could be,” Benson said. “I think it showed that I can get the job done, being a full-time back and carry the load.”

“Chicago fans asked me what was the difference? I told them it was simple: They gave me the football.”

barrett · #10 03-02-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dadmg

I agree with this in principle; I just don't feel the veteran they picked is worth it. Even with his draft pedigree holding him aloft, I'd be surprised if Benson's even still in the league two or three years from now. None of the free agent running backs look likely to set the world on fire, but I don't see any reason we should target an underachieving head case just to feel secure in our depth.

A further note: while its completely irrelevant to this argument (as its been set on the condition that he would be cheap), I'm beginning to wonder if that'll be the case. The Bengals, after the disastrous Chris Perry experiment, are trying to bring back Benson as their starter. A bidding war, even a relatively low-level one, over Benson makes me a bit nauseous.

Then sign a different one. I don't really care as long as we don't go into camp with a 2nd year player and a few rookies.

gunslinger57 · #11 03-02-2009, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by coloradodude

Yep...and most of those numbers were David Carr numbers. Games were over.

The only way a RB would run up big numbers where "games were over" is when their team is running away with it and just trying to run out the clock. Cincy didn't have a lot of those last year. Seems to me that might have actually depressed his numbers a bit.

Joshua · #12 03-02-2009, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by gunslinger57

The only way a RB would run up big numbers where "games were over" is when their team is running away with it and just trying to run out the clock. Cincy didn't have a lot of those last year. Seems to me that might have actually depressed his numbers a bit.

I didn't watch many Bengals games last year so I have no idea how he played. However, RBs can absolutely get garbage yards when their team is behind (particularly if they are behind by double digits). Defenses are generally more than happy to let a team run the ball and thus, prevent the big play and keep the clock running. That's why they are in the prevent D and have 5 or 6 DBs on the field.

Nconroe · #13 03-02-2009, 10:07 AM

if there isn't much up front guaranteed, then why not let him try out and see what is there. if it doesn't work, easy to cut in this league for now. for me , depends what kind of contract and guarantees being looked at. He might be that guy that helps us crack the end zone we couldn't seem to cross last year, as someone else mentioned.

John S · #14 03-02-2009, 10:48 AM

We should take if he comes on the cheap. At least he is under 30.

papabear · #15 03-02-2009, 11:37 AM

Like everyone else it all depends on the contract.

BigBull · #16 03-02-2009, 12:06 PM

After reading his comments in the chronicle I think he is using the Texans for leverage against the Bangles.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6289379.html

painekiller · #17 03-02-2009, 01:38 PM

I think a lot of people forget that Kubiak does not like rookie RBs. They only know how to run, they do not know how to block much less which hole (the blitzer will come thru) is the hot one.

We saw it last when Slayton went the wrong way on s blocking assignment and Schaub was clobbered.

Now even I, the voice yelling the most for at least 2 RBs in the draft, know that Kubiak is not inclined to break camp with a 2nd year guy and 2 rookies. So all that leads to this, depending on his contract, Benson has shown he can be a good citizen. I think he just got off to a really bad start in Chicago and things went bad from there.

As to running style, in short yardage as barrett pointed out you want a guy to bull forward with a low pad level. Benson has the potential, but has yet to show the desire level to be the best. Maybe the last 18 months have been a wake up call.

That all said he is worth a flyer if the contract is done correctly.