The first 17 picks Saturday.

[painekiller]

Vinny's statement has me thinking CB is not the top pick.

Do I really want a 1st rounder to be my nickle?

If Dunta comes back, and Bennett is the real deal, than I wasted a 1st rounder on a back up.

If I go DB in the 3rd or 4th, Patrick Lee, Charles Goodfrey, Chevis Jackson type player and get him plenty of reps in training camp, did I spend my pick more wisely? I believe so...

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Vinny's statement has me thinking CB is not the top pick.

Do I really want a 1st rounder to be my nickle?

If Dunta comes back, and Bennett is the real deal, than I wasted a 1st rounder on a back up.

If I go DB in the 3rd or 4th, Patrick Lee, Charles Goodfrey, Chevis Jackson type player and get him plenty of reps in training camp, did I spend my pick more wisely? I believe so...

not if they all turn into Faggins and Fletcher....generally, all you get in the later rounds is more of the same kind of player that is good enough to make a bad team but probably not good enough to be a solid nickel back anywhere else.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Vinny

not if they all turn into Faggins and Fletcher....generally, all you get in the later rounds is more of the same kind of player that is good enough to make a bad team but probably not good enough to be a solid nickel back anywhere else.

What normal playoff team has a nickle back that was drafted in the 1st, and the starting CBs both under 28 years of age? Not sure I have seen that mix on any team but the Colts who never have the cap room to keep most of the LBs or CBs after their rookie contracts.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by painekiller

What normal playoff team has a nickle back that was drafted in the 1st, and the starting CBs both under 28 years of age? Not sure I have seen that mix on any team but the Colts who never have the cap room to keep most of the LBs or CBs after their rookie contracts.

I'm thinking Bennett eventually becomes your nickel back with two first round talents as your starters. If Bennett proves he can start with Dunta and (fill in the blank)...well, thats a good problem. Much better than rolling into the season with Bennett as your best cornerback and hoping he is a NFL starter long term with Kukla Fran and Ollie behind him with Dunta on the bench hoping to be what he used to be after a massive surgery.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Vinny

I'm thinking Bennett eventually becomes your nickel back with two first round talents as your starters.

You beat me to it.

Currently, Fred is our best CB so everyone simply assumes that means the rookie CB would become the Nickle once/if Dunta comes back. I'd feel much more comfortable having such a talented rookie on the roster who forced Fred to become the Nickle. Heck we spent a 4th round pick on this kid last year and got lucky. If Dunta isn't the same or doesn't come back from injury, I'd be happier knowing that Fred is the #2 instead of Jacques Reeves.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Vinny

I'm thinking Bennett eventually becomes your nickel back with two first round talents as your starters. If Bennett proves he can start with Dunta and (fill in the blank)...well, thats a good problem. Much better than rolling into the season with Bennett as your best cornerback and hoping he is a NFL starter long term with Kukla Fran and Ollie behind him with Dunta on the bench hoping to be what he used to be after a massive surgery.

I can see that, but me I like having a starter getting paid way below average for his position (if he is producing average to above average).

Paying Reeves the big contract to be a dime is the thing that confuses this for me. 20MM is a high price for a guy that is your 3rd or 4th best player at a position (8MM guaranteed, please) , and the 1st really bad move made by Smith.

Dunta (and I am making a big assumption here) comes back and gets a big payday, Reeves is getting a big payday, and then you add a another 1st round pick to this mix. And my nickle is Bennett? I see cap trouble coming...

BTW Vinny, good to see you back on our board, have missed your take on things.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by painekiller

BTW Vinny, good to see you back on our board, have missed your take on things.

Thanks, I've always been a big fan of Keith, Warren, Bob and Dave....glad to see Keith get this project going.

[cadams]

Originally Posted by painekiller

I can see that, but me I like having a starter getting paid way below average for his position (if he is producing average to above average).

Paying Reeves the big contract to be a dime is the thing that confuses this for me. 20MM is a high price for a guy that is your 3rd or 4th best player at a position (8MM guaranteed, please) , and the 1st really bad move made by Smith.

Dunta (and I am making a big assumption here) comes back and gets a big payday, Reeves is getting a big payday, and then you add a another 1st round pick to this mix. And my nickle is Bennett? I see cap trouble coming...

BTW Vinny, good to see you back on our board, have missed your take on things.

Reeves will be at worst the nickle back unless he just lays an egg on the field. with the money they invested in him they have to think he is the real deal. i am not going to say it was a bad move by smith yet, especially since he hasn't even suited up in a texans uniform yet. i think smith and kubs have earned the benefit of the doubt on player evaluation up to this point, so unless/until Reeves is a bust on the field i am going to hold my assesment. I do think having reeves pretty much means that the odds of taking cb in the first round are low. i think if there is a LT there they like they take him, even if a corner is there that they have rated the same. otherwise i think they will be trying to trade the pick.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by cadams

i am not going to say it was a bad move by smith yet, especially since he hasn't even suited up in a texans uniform yet. i think smith and kubs have earned the benefit of the doubt on player evaluation up to this point, so unless/until Reeves is a bust on the field i am going to hold my assesment.

Your correct, I miss stated. I meant, if the Texans draft CB in the first, especially a stud CB, and Dunta makes it back to start this season, then the Reeves contract looks pretty bad.

It reminds me of the team signing a certain LDE to a huge contract and then drafting a LDE #1.

Also just to be clear? You think 20MM for a nickle is a good contract? I don't and I also think Bennett is a solid CB, and at worse can be a above average nickle, so no need for the Reeves deal IMO.