Robert Ayers, 1st Round Pick

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

But isn't that what a lot of people said about Okoye when he came out ?

Apparently Rick Smith was to ?

Nobody was suggesting that Okoye should or would play DE. He was a 3-Technique DT that may grow into a NT. Drafting the youngest player in the NFL meant that we were not seeing anything close to the final product. We saw that he had athleticism, but perhaps as he matured under the supervision of NFL coaches and trainers, he might grow into a Pat Williams.

I think the worst they thought they would be getting is a pass rushing DT to put pressure on the QB. The best case scenario was a larger run stuffer who still had the athleticism of a lighter version of himself. Many times when you see scouting projections of a player you will come across the phrase, "has the frame to add more bulk while maintaining quickness and agility" and that was the case for Amobi.

I'm actually proposing the opposite with Jerry. I would like to see him slim down and lose some of the bulk around his belly in hopes that it would add to his quickness. I would then use him much like the Chiefs have employed Turk McBride in Kansas City.

[jppaul]

Originally Posted by Roy P

We saw that he had athleticism, but perhaps as he matured under the supervision of NFL coaches and trainers, he might grow into a Pat Williams.

I think Okoye would have to eat Jesse Nading to grow into Pat Williams. You meant Kevin right?

[Roy P]

According to the Vikings site.

Kevin Williams 6' 5" 311lbs
Pat Williams 6' 3" 317lbs

According to the Texans site.

Amobi Okoye 6' 2" 306lbs.

So, I meant Pat Williams because it's easier to eat on weight than it is to add height.

[jppaul]

Your kidding right there is not a chance pay Williams is 317 lbs. 376 at least

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by jppaul

Your kidding right there is not a chance pay Williams is 317 lbs. 376 at least

My assumption is that at one time, maybe 1997, Pat Williams was 317lbs. I mean, Casy Hampton was 314lbs at his Combine. The Steelers' web site has him listed at 321lbs, which I'd assume is probably an understatement.

Anyway, my point was the Texans nor anyone else knew what Okoye would eventually become. It's difficult to determine what a 300lbs 19-year old will grow into.

[jppaul]

Originally Posted by Roy P

My assumption is that at one time, maybe 1997, Pat Williams was 317lbs. I mean, Casy Hampton was 314lbs at his Combine. The Steelers' web site has him listed at 321lbs, which I'd assume is probably an understatement.

Anyway, my point was the Texans nor anyone else knew what Okoye would eventually become. It's difficult to determine what a 300lbs 19-year old will grow into.

Ok. I see what you are trying to say.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by Roy P

According to the Vikings site.

Kevin Williams 6' 5" 311lbs
Pat Williams 6' 3" 317lbs

According to the Texans site.

Amobi Okoye 6' 2" 306lbs.

So, I meant Pat Williams because it's easier to eat on weight than it is to add height.

Man, I don't know that a series of numerals have ever made me laugh that hard!

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

According to the Vikings site.

Kevin Williams 6' 5" 311lbs
Pat Williams 6' 3" 317lbs

According to the Texans site.

Amobi Okoye 6' 2" 306lbs.

So, I meant Pat Williams because it's easier to eat on weight than it is to add height.

306 lbs? That might be some of the problem. They asked him go sideways and hold a blocker, maybe Bush will get his weight back under 300, and allow him to up field. He did show flashes toward the end of the season.

[NBT]

I rather like DE Paul Kruger from Utah, and wonder how he will do in the Combine.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by NBT

I rather like DE Paul Kruger from Utah, and wonder how he will do in the Combine.

You think he'll be a 1st round pick? I think there's a good possibility if he runs a 4.65 - 40. 4.25 - Shuttle, and 7.25 - Cone. He looks like Chris Long but Long posted these numbers 4.75, 4.21, 7.02; AND he had a long productive career at UVA. Oh yeah, his dad's Howie.

I really wish I had seen Kruger play more in college to get a better feel for him. I get the fact that he's Mormon and did the mission thing, but it kind of messes up my evaluation. Maybe after seeing him do some drills at Indy, I'll move him up above Ayers.

[NBT]

There you go again Rp. I never said Kruger would be a first round pick, I just said I wonder how he will do in the Combine. After that, he very well could be a first.