Would you trade Watson for....

[HPF Bob]

If I got Tua, Howard and the #3, all else would be gravy. The rest would just be negotiated out.

The Oilers flat out don't have the talent right now to be contenders so why not shop the last remaining valuable commodity you have and rebuild?

Tua struggled as a rookie but he didn't look bad for a guy who had no training camp. Howard is true value and if the #3 can't be traded down, we can take Davonta Smith and have the equivalent of Andre Johnson II.

[barrett]

You win in the NFL by...

Having the best QB.
Having the QB playing the best at that moment.
Having a roster so good that you make up for your QB.

These deals don't come close to accomplishing any of these. Our roster is not getting fixed by a Watson trade. We are about 15 players away from being the 2014 Seahawks. A few extra picks and Tua won't turn us into the loaded teams that win despite their QB. It will just turn us into the Jags or any of the other teams who have top draft picks every year but no QB.

Which team has traded away a great young QB and then won in the short, medium, or long term after the deal? It's idiotic. He's got four years on his deal and no way out. You hire a coach, take advantage of your last place schedule and hope a year from now he's happy. If he's not you hope he is a year after that. Maybe you consider a deal in 2023 if he's still not. But you don't give away the prime of a great QB because you could get a couple of draft picks to fix your defensive backfield.

[bikerack]

Originally Posted by barrett

You win in the NFL by...

Having the best QB.
Having the QB playing the best at that moment.
Having a roster so good that you make up for your QB.

These deals don't come close to accomplishing any of these. Our roster is not getting fixed by a Watson trade. We are about 15 players away from being the 2014 Seahawks. A few extra picks and Tua won't turn us into the loaded teams that win despite their QB. It will just turn us into the Jags or any of the other teams who have top draft picks every year but no QB.

Which team has traded away a great young QB and then won in the short, medium, or long term after the deal? It's idiotic. He's got four years on his deal and no way out. You hire a coach, take advantage of your last place schedule and hope a year from now he's happy. If he's not you hope he is a year after that. Maybe you consider a deal in 2023 if he's still not. But you don't give away the prime of a great QB because you could get a couple of draft picks to fix your defensive backfield.

And what if he says "screw it, I am sitting out all season"?

[barrett]

Originally Posted by bikerack

And what if he says "screw it, I am sitting out all season"?

I call his bluff. There is zero chance he does it. If he somehow sat a game, then the same deals are there in September/October/November/December/next offseason. There is no way I let a guy with 3 years left dictate his exit. I interview and hire the coach he wants, I resign Fuller to make him happy, and I start whatever comes next with him at the center of it.

The problem appears to be that Deshaun Watson has a problem with Jack Easterby. There is no way the solution to that problem is to figure out what we can get from the Dolphins. The fact anyone entertains that idea is a sign of stockholm syndrome. That should be absolutely unacceptable from our fan base.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by barrett

The problem appears to be that Deshaun Watson has a problem with Jack Easterby.

You’ve probably seen the quote from someone close to the team that says in effect that Cal’s firing Easterby wouldn’t really move the needle, that Cal would have to fire Cal.

This is a total shitshow beyond anything I have ever fantasized about. When they fired BOB I thought the team would inevitably redirect into an upward trajectory of some sort. Obviously I was wrong.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by chuck

You’ve probably seen the quote from someone close to the team that says in effect that Cal’s firing Easterby wouldn’t really move the needle, that Cal would have to fire Cal.

This is a total shitshow beyond anything I have ever fantasized about. When they fired BOB I thought the team would inevitably redirect into an upward trajectory of some sort. Obviously I was wrong.

The reporting on this is a feedback loop. The Texans franchise is incompetent and that makes for easy stories.

They are also 53 weeks away from their last playoff win and they have one of the most desired QBs in football. Fire Easterby and hire any coach Watson likes and this whole thing goes away. Watson getting a public win over Cal will quickly fix things. It doesn't take a genius to hold onto the guy who signed a 4 year extension 4 months ago. The problem is that it doesn't take a genius to be born into extreme wealth and Cal may be stupid enough and arrogant enough to take a stand on principles of racism and old money.

[nunusguy]

I think the tweet by the usually understated and stoic but yet influential Andre Johnson was ominous, so on this MLK Day gotta say if Watson is truly serious and committed to playing in the NFL in a different city and team than the Houston Texans I think he will get his way.
In the latest SI installment of the ongoing saga on Kirby many Texans'
front office employees reportedly have gotten into the habit of referring to Cal as "Tommy Boy", the character in the movie of the same name played by the late Chris Harley. At this point that comparison seems pretty appropriate.
This whole mess by the Texans organization, so badly handled is not a good look for the league and Black athletes, especially one of the most high profile young ones in the countries most popular sport have more power in these
tumultuous times than ever.