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Old 05-03-2019, 10:50 AM
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Gosh. Steve McKinney, Chester Pitts and ????
Fred Weary, Ryan Young...

I mean, we're not going to set the world on fire here but these guys were better than street FAs and that's what the team had last year, street FAs.

It's hard to picture through the haze of time, but it wasn't all that long ago when the team had a very good OL. That was right around the time when the team had a really good secondary.
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Old 05-03-2019, 11:52 AM
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Regardless of which was worse, just having this conversation tells you all you need to know.

And while it's true that Watson did cause some of the sacks by hanging onto the ball too long, he also Houdini'ed out of what would have been sacks of virtually every other QB in the league multiple times. And there's also the fact that teams were a little more restrained in rushing him than, say, Tom Savage out of fear he would break free and run for 20 yards. I can't even imagine what the sack total would have been if a statue like Savage had been back there.

By word and deed, it's clear that practically everyone, including the Texans, thought their O line was terrible last year. Heading into the draft, everyone predicted the Texans would likely use 2 of their first 3 picks on O linemen, even if they had to reach for them, because the line was that bad. The Texans then went out and did exactly that.
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Old 05-03-2019, 12:31 PM
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And while it's true that Watson did cause some of the sacks by hanging onto the ball too long, he also Houdini'ed out of what would have been sacks of virtually every other QB in the league multiple times. And there's also the fact that teams were a little more restrained in rushing him than, say, Tom Savage out of fear he would break free and run for 20 yards. I can't even imagine what the sack total would have been if a statue like Savage had been back there.
Excellent point. There were times I marveled at how Watson could stay upright.
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Old 05-03-2019, 12:37 PM
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Fred Weary, Ryan Young...
Young played a total of 9 games as a Texan - all in 2002.

Weary played six seasons but sat out much of 2004 and 2005, presumably with injuries.
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Old 05-03-2019, 04:01 PM
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Young played a total of 9 games as a Texan - all in 2002.

Weary played six seasons but sat out much of 2004 and 2005, presumably with injuries.
Young's groin injury was a bad one. instead of the groin muscle pulling or ripping, the bone pulled loose. Young was never the same.
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Old 05-03-2019, 04:38 PM
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Young's groin injury was a bad one. instead of the groin muscle pulling or ripping, the bone pulled loose. Young was never the same.
He was a good player for the Jets. And that's my point. The Carr years OL had actual, NFL quality players. Or at least they tried to. In the Watson years they literally do everything they can to chase away anyone who can play at all. And then they draft these slapdicks from schools nobody other than Pickett's ever heard of. Or they draft a guy from a Pickett school in the 4th round and expect to slide him right in to LT. Etc. It is quite something to behold.
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Old 05-04-2019, 02:00 PM
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He was a good player for the Jets. And that's my point. The Carr years OL had actual, NFL quality players. Or at least they tried to. In the Watson years they literally do everything they can to chase away anyone who can play at all. And then they draft these slapdicks from schools nobody other than Pickett's ever heard of. Or they draft a guy from a Pickett school in the 4th round and expect to slide him right in to LT. Etc. It is quite something to behold.
Point taken although it must be remembered that Young and Boselli were products of the expansion drafts and were done to provide cap relief for the Jets and Jaguars so that we might have other players like Aaron Glenn and Gary Walker. McKinney, Pitts and Weary were from Texas A&M, San Diego St. and Tennessee respectively.

The new OL was crafted from other team's free agent second-stringers and small-school projects. In that sense, we've added guys from Alabama St. and Northern Illinois to the group - hardly inspiring. To be fair, Rankin last year was from Mississippi St. and Su'a-Fila was from UCLA.

Not sure we haven't beaten this subject like J.J. Watt against a seventh-round rookie.
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And then they draft these slapdicks from schools nobody other than Pickett's ever heard of. Or they draft a guy from a Pickett school in the 4th round and expect to slide him right in to LT. Etc. It is quite something to behold.
Hey, I wanted to let you guys know that I am writing a book that is going to be published soon. In addition, I have started posting videos on YouTube. I sort of started this project/process here with "My Guys" and decided to turn it into a blueprint for how I would build an NFL Franchise. You can follow me on Twitter @PFGMRx or watch my YouTube channel @ PFGMRx. Thanks for your support. - Roy Pickett
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I'm just sitting here thinking (pacing, actually) that whatever my issues with Kubiak he is apparently a goddam genius at tutoring quarterbacks.
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Old 09-10-2019, 10:11 AM
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Awesome, congrats Roy.
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Old 09-10-2019, 08:29 PM
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Thanks, Keith.

My book is scheduled to be published on 9/16/19. I start off by describing how I was pulled into this when the Texans drafted David Carr #1 instead of Julius Peppers. Then I describe how I would put together a franchise....

"If you have ever played the video game ‘Madden’ on GM
mode or submitted lineups for your weekly Fantasy Football
team, then you have entertained the notion that you might
know what it takes to run an NFL Franchise. In my case, I was
a high school teacher in Conroe, Texas when the newly formed
Houston Texans came into existence and decided to draft one
David Carr. My students asked me who I thought the new team
should select, and without hesitation I declared that Julius
Peppers was the best player available, and within this context
of a team starting from scratch, that was exactly the philosophy
General Manager Charley Casserly should have taken. It was
apparent to me as a casual observer, that Julius Peppers would
be successful sacking opposing Quarterbacks almost
immediately, and without the need to have talented teammates
surrounding him."
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I'm just sitting here thinking (pacing, actually) that whatever my issues with Kubiak he is apparently a goddam genius at tutoring quarterbacks.
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