UGLY LOSS!!! Now questions to Ponder going forward.

Arky · #1 01-07-2019, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by barrett

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And in today's NFL the old saying "those who can, do. And those who can't, teach" rules the day. These high powered offenses are being run by X and O nerds who are obsessed with football. Whether they played is all but irrelevant.

I disagree with that. You don't think Wes Welker can teach Coutee a thing or two about playing the slot?

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NFL coaches are evaluated on how they coach, not on how they played. So, if you want to knock O'Brien then knock him for how he coaches now, not how he played (or didn't play) 25 years ago.

You're just plain wrong here.

It's hard for the narrow minded to think outside the box. If you want to think I'm wrong, that is fine. OB's "apprenticeship" at Georgia Tech and Penn State and as QB-coaching-figure-guy for Tom Brady I don't think learned him much. I don't like the fact that a guy who played defense 25 years ago and runs a pretty unimaginative offense now, fancies himself an OC. He's good at the Head Coach stuff I do believe - just not a very good OC. I think his offense sucks and I doubt anyone in the NFL will be copying it any time soon. Very few times this year, I thought, "Oh, good call, OB!". I want someone who can make me say that at least once a game..... Some people got a knack for it and some don't - I don't think OB has a knack for it (OC). And I still don't like his offensive credentials.

barrett · #2 01-07-2019, 09:10 PM

You are 100% right about Welker. Position coaching in the NFL and X and O coordinator coaching is very different. Position coaching is technique and the guys who did it best teach it best. Sometimes that's great players and sometimes that's players who didn't have talent but knew the technique perfect. X and O coaching done by coordinators (especially on the offensive side of the ball) is all about scheme.

And O'Brien is more than qualified to be an OC. If fired today he'd be an OC tomorrow if he wasn't given a HC job. He redesigned the offense on the fly last year and was more creative with Watson then any NFL HC has ever been with a mobile QB (which still amounts to below average creativity for a college coach). Then the league adjusted and we went backwards on offense this year when O'Brien/Watson didn't adjust back. We were middle of the road in total offense and top 1/3 in scoring. And that's with a serious lack of talent on the offensive side of the ball.

Here's the bottom 5 in cap spending on offense...
Cardinals $58 million
Dolphins $55 million
Bills $55 million
Texans $55 million
Broncos $51 million

Here's the same 5 teams in scoring per game.
Texans 25 ppg
Denver 21 ppg
Miami 20 ppg
Bills 17 ppg
Cardinals 14 ppg

There is a large element of you get what you pay for with our offense. We don't have talent outside of Hopkins and Watson. We're mediocre at RB, mediocre at OL, awful at TE, and bad at WR outside of Hopkins and Fuller. For O'Brien to get average performance out of bottom 5 talent is solid.

But we undeniably laid and egg in the playoffs and Watson took a step backwards under O'Brien's coaching this year. I have no problem with O'Brien being held to the fire for that. I just don't buy for one second it is connected to what he did as a college football player.

Arky · #3 01-07-2019, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by barrett

....... I just don't buy for one second it is connected to what he did as a college football player.

It's on his resume. Kinda like when one of Hitler's generals refused to follow orders from "that corporal". (Hitler was a corporal during WWI).

HPF Bob · #4 01-11-2019, 12:51 PM

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It's on his resume. Kinda like when one of Hitler's generals refused to follow orders from "that corporal". (Hitler was a corporal during WWI).

Wow. Didn't expect the Hitler card to come up about football coaches.

Our OL is still crummy and you can't make an offense play well with a crappy OL. They got better at opening holes for Miller but they still can't protect Watson well and so Watson holds onto the ball too long trying to make plays. He needs to have a secure pocket to pass out of and then we would see better throws and fewer hits on him.

I just got done doing a mock draft on Fanspeak and, other than QB, there were no positions off the table. I wound up taking a CB first because I'm not thrilled with the OLs on the board but I took OL in the second and third as well as a WR.

So we need better linemen or a better line coach. Until that gets fixed, we can't assess the rest of the offense properly.

bikerack · #5 01-11-2019, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by HPF Bob

I just got done doing a mock draft on Fanspeak and, other than QB, there were no positions off the table. I wound up taking a CB first because I'm not thrilled with the OLs on the board but I took OL in the second and third as well as a WR.

So we need better linemen or a better line coach. Until that gets fixed, we can't assess the rest of the offense properly.

I've done a couple as well...

In the 1st, I seem to always have to make a choice at CB between DeAndre Baker (UGA) and Byron Murphy (UW).

In the 2nd, I liked the idea of taking Bryce Love if he was there with one of the picks...but since the news of his torn ACL has come out, I just double up with OL.

Does anyone else think Clemson's Hunter Renfrow would be a good fit to play for Welker as a later round pick?