Official Texans vs. Giants Game Thread, 9/23/2018

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Big Texas

OBrien must have a short memory...

The Oline sucks...pocket passing is a no go...

Outside of Fuller none of the receivers can create separation...
Every team presses our receivers without any respect...

There is no such thing as NFL football without pocket passing.

O'Brien looks like he's already lost the locker room, but calling pocket passes are not one of the dozen reasons he looks dumb right now.

[barrett]

JJ Watt guessing and jumping up field was great when he was so athletic he ran around blocks and made plays. Now that he isn't that athletic he just runs himself out of plays and leaves us to be gouged.

[chuck]

There is so much wrong with this team it is hard to know where to start.

I enjoy watching Texans DL cover Giants receivers. That's always a good time.

[Big Texas]

Originally Posted by barrett

There is no such thing as NFL football without pocket passing.

O'Brien looks like he's already lost the locker room, but calling pocket passes are not one of the dozen reasons he looks dumb right now.

I am referring to the traditional drop back pocket passer. Deshaun Watson does not have the experience nor the offensive line to drop back and go through his reads...

Roll outs, play fakes and even a little more TE involvment in the passing game would help.

So, football success CAN exist without the traditional pocket passer...

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Big Texas

I am referring to the traditional drop back pocket passer. Deshaun Watson does not have the experience nor the offensive line to drop back and go through his reads...

Roll outs, play fakes and even a little more TE involvment in the passing game would help.

So, football success CAN exist without the traditional pocket passer...

No it can't. You can go play action all day long (and we have). But on 3rd and long you have to be able to throw the ball from the pocket. Deshaun Watson can do that. In fact as I'm typing he did exactly that with a 30 yard rope down the seam. He's not a gimmick QB and when he fails on basic football plays, it's not because we should be running nothing but non-traditional offense.

[barrett]

I might hit a number of buffets for a month and take Davenport's job.

[Big Texas]

Rollouts are not gimmicks...

Its a way to make your QB a weapon with both his arm and his legs...while MOVING the pocket...

No one said he wont ever be able to only that he does not have the experience to make ALL the reads and go through his progressions. I believe he will one day be great...however standing in the constantly collapsing pocket staring down DHop has not proven successful yet.

[Big Texas]

And BTW even Matt Schaub used to complete deep passes with 30 seconds left in the half down 2 scores while the defense is playing over the top...

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Big Texas

Rollouts are not gimmicks...

Its a way to make your QB a weapon with both his arm and his legs...while MOVING the pocket...

No one said he wont ever be able to only that he does not have the experience to make ALL the reads and go through his progressions. I believe he will one day be great...however standing in the constantly collapsing pocket staring down DHop has not proven successful yet.

They've moved the pocket constantly and called play action repeatedly. They're doing it as often as you reasonably can. Also calling a few passes from the pocket is not in our top 100 problems right now.

And the biggest reason the pocket is collapsing is he holds the ball. He is the most pressured QB because he takes almost twice as long to get the ball out. Today he has added to that by throwing ground balls on half the throws that do come out on time. He is playing awful. He was great last year. I expect him to be great again. But HE is the problem with our offense right now. It's not the WRs or the OL or the coach or the play calls. It's the QB who still doesn't have 10 career games and looks lost since coming back from his knee injury.

[Arky]

Eli is 12/14, 175 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 142.6 rating.

Watson is 8/15, 136 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT, 84.3 rating.

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Barkley is 10/69, 6.9 avg, 1 TD

L Miller is 8/8, 1.0 avg

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Giants 14 first downs.

Texans 8 first downs.

[Big Texas]

Well you are entitled to your opininon but we will have to agree to disagree...I believe this is mostly on Obrien...then a terrible Oline...and then receivers who gain no separation...then Watsons inexperience...

I was team Obrien all last year but with the talent and lack of production...it has to be on Obrien...he cant seem to put the pieces together...

[Arky]

Fairbairn connects on a 54-yard FG.

Giants 20, Texans 9

8:41 left in the 3rd qtr.

Just 4 more FG's to go!